Homosexuality and marriage

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Apolojez said:
The very fact that it’s quite common in animal species is the key. To ignore that detail is cherry picking.
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No it isn’t. First, “quite common” is over-stated. Heterosexual behavior is the overwhelming norm in sexually-reproducing species. Second, all the other creatures you mention lack intellects and are incapable of moral reasoning. Instinct drives their behavior; humans can make choices about the better and worse courses to take. Homosexual acts are bad choices for humans to make.
 
pete_29 said:
Balderdash!!! God created us male and female for a reason. You can spin it anyway you want, but God made it natural that a man be with a woman and a woman be with a man. Anything more than that is humankind trying to prove that they are superior to God.
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Are you saying you know the mind of GOD?

If you believe in god you should have no problem in believing he created homosexuals and sodomy too
 
davidv said:
Please cite a credible source for this claim. I grew up on a farm. There was nothing common about animal homosexuality that I ever witnessed. Ignoring red herrings is a necessity of solid logic.
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Like I said, you can choose to ignore what you want.
 
SonSearcher said:
But what evidence? Share it please.

Again… you state it is so common but the continuation of species depends on “heterosexual” acts. And it seems the world is populating itself quite well.

Nature depends on it.

Further… even if homosexual behavior is running rampant throughout the entire animal kingdom as you suggest… we cannot equate that to “marriage” for homosexuals because you would have to prove that these animals are “choosing” to be gay for their life, and for “love.” Which I have to say is absurd.
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Never had pets I suppose?
 
saintjoe said:
I do not understand the animal kingdom argument. If I witness a chimpanzee take the bananas of another chimpanzee, does that mean stealing should be ok? Where do you draw the line?
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The reaction to a simple detail about homosexuality in animals has caused quite a furor hasn’t it? I simply said it’s a common occurrance in the animal kingdom and people freak out. As I said, it actually has very little to do with my belief that being gay isn’t chosen. It’s just an interesting fact IMO. Why anyone would ignore it is actually more interesting to me.
 
pete_29 said:
The only person that thinks it’s a fact is you.
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I think it’s telling the reaction it got actually because I don’t think it’s that big a deal. All anyone has to do is research homosexual behavior in animals. Or don’t. Or you might recall those times when you had to “break up” Scrappy and Lucky from “playing”. I’m really amazed how people can pretend this doesn’t happen all the time. Really???
 
aprilfloyd said:
Are you saying you know the mind of GOD?

If you believe in god you should have no problem in believing he created homosexuals and sodomy too
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Evidently more so than you. He created me. I have a terrible temper. That doesn’t mean He is happy with me when I can’t control it. You want God to bow to your will. I’m smart enough to know that it’s my will that should bend, not God’s. God created people. People created homosexuality and sodomy all by themselves.
 
Apolojez said:
I think it’s telling the reaction it got actually because I don’t think it’s that big a deal. All anyone has to do is research homosexual behavior in animals. Or don’t. Or you might recall those times when you had to “break up” Scrappy and Lucky from “playing”. I’m really amazed how people can pretend this doesn’t happen all the time. Really???
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I think it is telling you try and use animal behavior as justification for human behavior.
 
fix said:
Apparently if some behavior occurs it must be acceptable simple because it occurs.
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You mock something you claim to have no idea about. Never said it made being gay “acceptable” since IMO that is for each individual to decide for themselves. This reaction is the exact reason I won’t go any further with it since it’s obvious where this is going.
 
Apolojez said:
I think it’s telling the reaction it got actually because I don’t think it’s that big a deal. All anyone has to do is research homosexual behavior in animals. Or don’t. Or you might recall those times when you had to “break up” Scrappy and Lucky from “playing”. I’m really amazed how people can pretend this doesn’t happen all the time. Really???
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You evidently think it’s a big deal or you wouldn’t keep harping on it all the time. Prove to me that Scrappy is thinking, " Lucky is a boy dog and I like boy dogs better than girl dogs". It’s more likely that Scrappy is trying to dominate Lucky so that Scrappy will be the one to breed with females rather than Lucky. Tell me, is domination anything to base a marriage on. OK, lets say Scrappy sees Lucky and thinks, " there is another dog, i want to breed with it." That’s not homosexual that’s animal lust. You see, Scrappy isn’t going after Lucky because Lucky is the same sex. Scrappy just wants sex, be it with Lucky, or Lassie, or a fencepost for that matter. Your “facts” are uncoordinated because you will never know exactly what is going through Scrappy’s brain. I’m sorry, but thats as simple as I can explain it to you.
 
markeverett49 said:
No it isn’t. First, “quite common” is over-stated. Heterosexual behavior is the overwhelming norm in sexually-reproducing species. Second, all the other creatures you mention lack intellects and are incapable of moral reasoning. Instinct drives their behavior; humans can make choices about the better and worse courses to take. Homosexual acts are bad choices for humans to make.
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Actually it is. The context of the reason I mentioned it in the first place was because it was stated that “God made it natural that a man be with a woman and a woman be with a man”. So I pointed out homosexual behavior in animals which, for me, begs the question “why”?
 
fix said:
I think it is telling you try and use animal behavior as justification for human behavior.
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I only brought it up because it was stated “God made it natural that a man be with a woman and a woman be with a man”. So why did God make animals do this OR why do they do this despite what God intended?

My actual argument concerning homsexuality is more interesting really. 😃
 
Apolojez said:
Actually it is. The context of the reason I mentioned it in the first place was because it was stated that “God made it natural that a man be with a woman and a woman be with a man”. So I pointed out homosexual behavior in animals which, for me, begs the question “why”?
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Animals Do It, So It’s Natural, Right? The reasoning behind the animal homosexuality theory can be summed up as follows:
  • Homosexual behavior is observable in animals.
  • Animal behavior is determined by their instincts.
  • Nature requires animals to follow their instincts.
  • Therefore, homosexuality is in accordance with animal nature.
  • Since man is also animal, homosexuality must also be in accordance with human nature. This line of reasoning is unsustainable. If seemingly “homosexual” acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance with animal nature. Bringing man into the equation complicates things further. Are we to conclude that filicide and cannibalism are according to human nature? In opposition to this line of reasoning, this article sustains that:

  1. *]There is no “homosexual instinct” in animals,
    *]It is poor science to “read” human motivations and sentiments into animal behavior, and
    *]Irrational animal behavior is not a yardstick to determine what is morally acceptable behavior for rational man.

    There Is No “Homosexual Instinct” In Animals Anyone engaged in the most elementary animal observation is forced to conclude that animal “homosexuality,” “filicide” and “cannibalism” are exceptions to normal animal behavior. Consequently, they cannot be called animal instincts. These observable exceptions to normal animal behavior result from factors beyond their instincts.
 
Apolojez said:
You mock something you claim to have no idea about. Never said it made being gay “acceptable” since IMO that is for each individual to decide for themselves. This reaction is the exact reason I won’t go any further with it since it’s obvious where this is going.
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I pointed out your position.
 
"Homosexual" Animals Do Not Exist In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:
Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.[11] Despite the “homosexual” appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior does not stem from a “homosexual” instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, explains:
Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals… For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.[12]
 
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