Homosexuality and marriage

[Charlemagne_II]

RevDon

On the other hand, I don’t think it’s very hard to come up with a list of ways that individuals and society might benefit from same-sex marriage.

How would an adopted heterosexual child best benefit from two homosexual father or two homosexual mothers?

And are you really a Reverend?

 

[RevDon]

They cannot have the same thing heterosexual marriage has, by definition.

The primary problem in this discussion is that people want to define the human experience of marriage by using concepts based on animal biology: reproduction. If that were the definition of marriage, then we would be saying that animals marry. But we don’t.

For a better way of looking at marriage, perhaps a good starting place would be the vows that a couple make to each other before God and the world. I think that’s what defines marriage among humans and makes it essentially different from what animals do. I see nothing in those vows that exclude same sex persons.

 

[aprilfloyd]

The primary problem in this discussion is that people want to define the human experience of marriage by using concepts based on animal biology: reproduction. If that were the definition of marriage, then we would be saying that animals marry. But we don’t.

For a better way of looking at marriage, perhaps a good starting place would be the vows that a couple make to each other before God and the world. I think that’s what defines marriage among humans and makes it essentially different from what animals do. I see nothing in those vows that exclude same sex persons.

 

[dshix]

Not sure about what you mean about where these rights come from. We embody them in or laws.

What do you mean by ‘condition’ - In the UK until repeal, laws discriminated against homosexuals in many areas of life. Today it is illegal to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation. Homosexuals and Lesbians are now afforded equal rights in almost all areas of life and as of 2015 that will include marriage.

Sadly it will not eradicate homophobia, just like we cannot eliminate racism, but it is a welcome equal rights advance.

April, you don’t seem to understand the difference between “rights” and “licence.” Homosexuality is not a civil or a human right, because it is disordered. Things such as racism are wrong, and equal rights apply there.

Also, please don’t pull the “homosexuals are victims” card; it’s false. They get in our faces and offend us much, much more than we do to them.

 

[yellowbird]

Also, please don’t pull the “homosexuals are victims” card; it’s false. They get in our faces and offend us much, much more than we do to them.

Who are “they” you speak of? The homosexuals I know are my co-workers, my neighbors, my favorite Uncle, the woman who grooms my dog. None of them are in my face offending me. They are going about their life, only wanting the same thing I already have and probably take for granted - a spouse.

Is it sin that offends you? Then you must find everyone offensive because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

What are you doing that people are getting all up in your face? That is so strange.

 

[dshix]

Who are “they” you speak of? The homosexuals I know are my co-workers, my neighbors, my favorite Uncle, the woman who grooms my dog. None of them are in my face offending me. They are going about their life, only wanting the same thing I already have and probably take for granted - a spouse.

Is it sin that offends you? Then you must find everyone offensive because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

What are you doing that people are getting all up in your face? That is so strange.

I speak of the violence at pro-marriage rallies; the genital exposure in gay pride parades; the obscene gestures and language of the homosexual lobby; the hate, anger, and bigotry of SSA afflicted individuals who I meet on the street.

This mentality is everywhere, wherever I go. The homosexual lobby brings anger and hate wherever it goes.

If you haven’t seen and experienced this, you are either on their side or have your eyes shut.

 

[fix]

I support civil unions as long as they are given equal treatment by the government, which they currently don’t. Everyone should be treated equally regardless of race, religion, gender or sexual preference.

Unequal relationships should be treated unequally.

 

[fix]

Who are “they” you speak of? The homosexuals I know are my co-workers, my neighbors, my favorite Uncle, the woman who grooms my dog. None of them are in my face offending me. They are going about their life, only wanting the same thing I already have and probably take for granted - a spouse.

Is it sin that offends you? Then you must find everyone offensive because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

What are you doing that people are getting all up in your face? That is so strange.

You cannot watch tv, the movies, the radio, the internet, books, magazines, newspapers, schools, and all else without being subjected to the “gay” propaganda. I am not even mentioning the harm to children through legalizing these faux unions. The question is how can any rational person escape being inundated by the homosexual agitprop?

 

[buffalo]

The primary problem in this discussion is that people want to define the human experience of marriage by using concepts based on animal biology: reproduction. If that were the definition of marriage, then we would be saying that animals marry. But we don’t.

For a better way of looking at marriage, perhaps a good starting place would be the vows that a couple make to each other before God and the world. I think that’s what defines marriage among humans and makes it essentially different from what animals do. I see nothing in those vows that exclude same sex persons.

You are asking for a redefinition.

 

[buffalo]

Who are “they” you speak of? The homosexuals I know are my co-workers, my neighbors, my favorite Uncle, the woman who grooms my dog. None of them are in my face offending me. They are going about their life, only wanting the same thing I already have and probably take for granted - a spouse.

Is it sin that offends you? Then you must find everyone offensive because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

What are you doing that people are getting all up in your face? That is so strange.

The activists are getting in our face. They want way more than just tolerance, they want us to embrace and promote their behavior.

 

[buffalo]

The reality and history is coming in focus now…

Few homosexual relationships last beyond two years. Those that last longer are able to do so only by accepting there will be infidelity. Those who claim they are committed have a fundamental inability to remain faithful. The stats are showing they themselves reporting hundreds of lifetime partners. This is a radical difference from real marriage.

And this is supposed to be stable and nurturing for children?

 

[yellowbird]

The reality and history is coming in focus now…

Few homosexual relationships last beyond two years. Those that last longer are able to do so only by accepting there will be infidelity. Those who claim they are committed have a fundamental inability to remain faithful. The stats are showing they themselves reporting hundreds of lifetime partners. This is a radical difference from real marriage.

And this is supposed to be stable and nurturing for children?

Source?

 

[buffalo]

CDC Releases STD Surveillance Report

…Trend data available for the first time this year show that primary and secondary syphilis cases – the most infectious stages of the disease — are increasing among gay and other men who have sex with men, who now account for more than 70 percent of all infections. If not adequately treated, syphilis can lead to paralysis, dementia and death. Syphilis infection can also place a person at increased risk for HIV infection. Given the high prevalence of HIV in the gay community, increasing syphilis infections among gay and bisexual men are particularly troubling.

 

[RevDon]

RevDon

On the other hand, I don’t think it’s very hard to come up with a list of ways that individuals and society might benefit from same-sex marriage.

How would an adopted heterosexual child best benefit from two homosexual father or two homosexual mothers?

And are you really a Reverend?

If you know anything about the foster care system, I’m sure you would conclude that children are better off living in a home where a permanent, loving relationship is established and they are cherished.
If you are worried about their sexual orientation, there are plenty of studies that show this is innate. Studies do show, however, that children brought up with same sex parents are more tolerant of same sex relationships when they encounter them.
Yes, I am a priest.

 

[RevDon]

CDC Releases STD Surveillance Report

…Trend data available for the first time this year show that primary and secondary syphilis cases – the most infectious stages of the disease — are increasing among gay and other men who have sex with men, who now account for more than 70 percent of all infections. If not adequately treated, syphilis can lead to paralysis, dementia and death. Syphilis infection can also place a person at increased risk for HIV infection. Given the high prevalence of HIV in the gay community, increasing syphilis infections among gay and bisexual men are particularly troubling.

This is a great demonstration of the benefit to society that can come from gay marriage.
Society’s current opposition to permanent relationships between gay men is one reason promiscuity exists. Permanent relationships reduce promiscuity among gay men just as it does among heterosexuals. That cuts down on the transfer of HIV.

 

[buffalo]

Eyewitness to Debauchery

        ***Editor’s note:**** Dawn C. Stefanowicz submitted                this written statement to be read at the Marriage Rally, Parliament                Hill, Ottawa, Canada, April 9, 2005*.
          *"Does not wisdom call out? Does not understanding                raise her voice? On the heights along the way, where the paths meet,                she takes her stand; beside the gates leading into the city, at                the entrances, she cries aloud:"1 *             My name is Dawn Stefanowicz. I grew up in a homosexual household                during the 1960s and 1970s in Toronto exposed to many different                people, the Gay-Lesbian- Bisexual-Transgendered (GLBT) subcultures,                and explicit sexual practices. I am currently writing a book, soon                to be published, on this experience. As well, I was a witness at                the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs                on Bill C-250 (hate crimes), and I have presented at the local school                board.
          My biggest concern is that children are not being discussed in                this same-sex marriage debate. Yet, won’t the next step for                some gay activists be to ask for legal adoption of children if same-sex                marriage is legalized? I have considered some of the potential physical                and psychological health risks for children raised in this situation.                I was at high risk of exposure to contagious STDs due to sexual                molestation, my father’s high-risk sexual behaviors, and multiple                partners. Even when my father was in what looked like monogamous                relationships, he continued cruising for anonymous sex.

more…

 

[buffalo]

**Mental health group critiques homosexuals as foster parents

**For example, a study by D.M. Fergusson and other researchers, published in Archives of General Psychiatry in 1999, found that “78.6% of homosexuals compared to 38.2% of heterosexuals had two or more mental disorders, … 71.4% of homosexuals experienced major depression compared to 38.2% of heterosexuals. Sixty-seven percent of homosexuals reported suicidal ideation compared to 28% of heterosexuals. And 32.1% of homosexuals reported a suicide attempt compared to 7.1% of heterosexuals.”
Fergusson said in the study: “Homosexuals had significantly higher rates of major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, nicotine dependence, other substance abuse and/or dependence, multiple disorders, suicidal ideation, and suicide attempts.”

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And then there is the significant amount of evidence demonstrating that homosexuals have many more sexual partners than heterosexuals, and that same-sex relationships are significantly more transient. As a result, he said, “Homes headed by an adult who is sexually involved with same-sex persons are significantly less stable and less secure environments for children over time, compared to a natural family structure in which a married mother and father live together in the same home.”
On the flip side, Rekers relies on numerous studies that demonstrate the positive effect on children of living in a home with both the biological mother and father. Naturally, children who live in a household headed by a gay or lesbian couple lose that benefit.
“Homes headed by an adult who is sexually involved with same-sex persons deprive the child of either the unique positive contributions of a father to child development or the unique positive contributions of a mother to child development that have been established by extensive psychological research by a large number of investigators,” he said.
All of this evidence, Rekers argued, makes a strong case against placing children into foster homes headed by one or more homosexuals — and should give society great pause before accepting such households as the equivalent of a household headed by a married man and woman.

 

[buffalo]

The truth about children with ‘gay’ parents

“The gold standard is to have married, heterosexual parents,” Allen concludes. “I mean, every study pretty well finds that. It doesn’t matter what dimension you’re looking at; there’s no question – the gold standard is having two parents, married, opposite sex.”

The study was published in the peer-reviewed journal Demography.

 

[RevDon]

Source?Few homosexual relationships last beyond two years. Those that last longer are able to do so only by accepting there will be infidelity. Those who claim they are committed have a fundamental inability to remain faithful. The stats are showing they themselves reporting hundreds of lifetime partners. This is a radical difference from real marriage.

The statistics you cite (and I’d love you to cite the source) are highly influenced by the attitudes of society which discourage or even prohibit permanent relationships between same-sex people. If they do not have access to the means of permanent relationships, if the culture is at best skeptical of the desire or ability of people to have permanent relationships, if society withholds support of permanent relationships, and if there is a dearth of models for permanent same-sex relationships, then is it any wonder that it is so hard for them to form. Incidentally, the heterosexual community isn’t doing so well with this, I’m sure you’ve noticed.

This site gives a critique of the studies which seem to be the source of your assertion.
naedlrega.livejournal.com/15736.html

 

[dandingo]

The primary problem in this discussion is that people want to define the human experience of marriage by using concepts based on animal biology: reproduction. If that were the definition of marriage, then we would be saying that animals marry. But we don’t.

For a better way of looking at marriage, perhaps a good starting place would be the vows that a couple make to each other before God and the world. I think that’s what defines marriage among humans and makes it essentially different from what animals do. I see nothing in those vows that exclude same sex persons.

If I want to be able to marry my 13 year old 3rd cousin and her 14 year old sister, simultaneously, both of whom are willing and able, can I start a Civil Rights movement so that we can get equal rights to redefine the legal age of consent?