That’s where there are by far the most deaths. The US has less than 5% of the global population. You are the very definition of a moral relativist, not to mention imperialist, if you’re saying your feelings about your backyard should dictate the morality of the other 95% of us on the planet.
But name-calling has become in your mind your strongest suit?
Both of your responses are basically ad hominems. A “number of users” complaining does not make the claims false. A “number of users” question the manner in which the UN and UNESCO impose Western liberal agendas with regard to African countries, and issues have been raised with regard to research departments and their ties to pharmaceuticals who fund them.
If the means to determine deaths “by AIDS” conflates - by design - deaths by a plethora of other conditions in Africa, the figures will be radically inflated for sure. Not that that matters enough to make it an issue, right?
Ah, another brave souls to inject himself repeatedly with a contaminated blood. Or not? Words, just words.
Once again, please look up the definition of ad hominem. It is not ad hominem to question the credibility of a website, and I note you have not provided any credentials, but merely added a far fetched conspiracy theory. Your video has no credentials either.
Come off itBut name-calling has become in your mind your strongest suit?
You did not reply to the information included in the website I gave you, information that shows sodomy is death oriented, and therefore hardly to be so cavalierly treated as by the motto “Live and let live.” Those who advocate “Live and let live” for sodomites are really advocating “Die and let die.”
Ever heard of AIDS among sodomites? You really should read up on it, not to mention illness and death by wounds to the anal passage in both men and women.
Is it really asking so much that you stop using the ad hominems?
Do you know what an ad hominem is?
It’s name-calling … used most often when all other arguments have failed. As your arguments certainly have.
. To repeat once again, by far the highest death rate from AIDS in the world is amongst straight men and women in Sub-Saharan Africa, and over 2 million children there are infected. Just because it’s different in your neck of the woods doesn’t make it meaningful to the 95% of us who don’t live in your neck of the woods.Excellent point.
Apparently you know neither the definition of moral relativism nor the definition of imperialism.
There is no doubt that acquired immunodeficiency (AID) is a widespread condition in Africa and that a syndrome (group of symptoms which occur together) is, likewise, prevalent. The question is, however, whether a specific virus (HIV) is the only or even main direct cause of AIDS in Africa.
I have, as yet, to see a direct causal correlation of AIDS in Africa to an identifiable and verifiable HIV virus. If you have peer-reviewed literature, then provide a link to it. If not, silly posturing does not stand as evidence.
Interesting that you accuse me of “denying there is AIDS in Africa,” when that was not at all what I even implied.
Well actually it does because AIDS (Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome) may have more than one cause. It is, at this point, entirely speculative to claim a virus that has yet to have been positively identified and tested for is the one and only cause of ALL the acquired immunodeficiency in African heterosexuals.Come off it
Again the direct link from a virus (HIV) to a syndrome (AIDS) as the cause and the only cause of AIDS in Africa is somewhat of a missing link although that does not mean certain treatment options should all be stopped or nothing done.
I’m calling a spade a spade.
I said “by far the highest death rate from AIDS is amongst straight men and women in Sub-Saharan Africa, and over 2 million children there are infected” (post #433).
You attempt to suppress research into your kooky websites is duly noted.
As I said, this is very technical, I’ve no expertise, and if you are not a qualified doctor or microbiologist then I don’t see that much purpose is served in discussing this. Apart from questioning credibility, the reports you linked seem quite old, I’ve no way of knowing whether the tests in the field have changed since, whether different territories use different tests or protocols, how the results are statistically verified and so on.
More name-calling? You can’t get enough of that, can you?I’m calling a spade a spade.
Your argument that morality should be based on evolving vectors of a disease, especially one which has been around for less than 35 years, is meta-ethical relativism (“holds that moral judgments are not true or false in any absolute sense, but only relative to particular standpoints” - iep.utm.edu/moral-re/#SH2e)
Your argument that the vectors should be limited to those which apply only today in the USA, since elsewhere they don’t support your conclusion, is cultural imperialism (“The imposition of a foreign viewpoint or civilization on a people.” - dictionary.reference.com/browse/cultural+imperialism)
You might as well claim that air travel is “die and let die” immoral because it helps to spread ebola.
By the way, this thread is about Homosexuality and the Natural Law, isn’t it?I’m calling a spade a spade.
Your argument that morality should be based on evolving vectors of a disease, especially one which has been around for less than 35 years, is meta-ethical relativism (“holds that moral judgments are not true or false in any absolute sense, but only relative to particular standpoints” - iep.utm.edu/moral-re/#SH2e)
Your argument that the vectors should be limited to those which apply only today in the USA, since elsewhere they don’t support your conclusion, is cultural imperialism (“The imposition of a foreign viewpoint or civilization on a people.” - dictionary.reference.com/browse/cultural+imperialism)
You might as well claim that air travel is “die and let die” immoral because it helps to spread ebola.
Not at all, but as you’re calling uncle, I’ll relent.More name-calling? You can’t get enough of that, can you?
By that criterion it’s immoral to drive cars, as it’s an objective fact they kill people. If you base your morality on such things then it will change all the time according to contemporary society - that’s moral relativism.
You’ve asked me to ignore the large number of straight people dying from AIDS in North Africa, just across the Med from me, and worry instead about a smaller number of gays in the US. If the positions were reversed then I doubt you’d ask me to ignore a larger number of straight people dying in the US.Cultural Imperialism can only be asserted when it calls other cultures naturally inferior and to be exploited for their inferiority. I have not asserted either. When I directed the discussion back to the stateside issue, it was because you were not willing to discuss evidence pointed out to you in an American publication about the fatal effects of anal sex between sodomites. How does that amount to cultural imperialism?
Exactly, that’s the absurdity of basing morality on narrow issues, such as, let’s remember, statistics in your locale alone for a disease which has been around for less than 35 years.
That’s too close to Live And Let Die, Mr Bond. You’re being relativist again, as “perverse” is a matter of opinion.
I was talking of meta-ethical moral relativism and cultural imperialism, and it seems you’ve mashed them to get cultural relativism, which is different from either, it’s "the principle that an individual human’s beliefs and activities should be understood by others in terms of that individual’s own culture. This principle was established as axiomatic in anthropological research by Franz Boas in the first few decades of the 20th century and later popularized by his students. Boas first articulated the idea in 1887: “…civilization is not something absolute, but … is relative, and … our ideas and conceptions are true only so far as our civilization goes.” - princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Cultural_relativism.html
Yes, more people are killed from accidents than from sodomy.
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