So, sex with your pregnant wife is forbidden, just like same-sex relations? Sex with your post-menopausal wife is forbidden, just like same-sex relations? Sex with your infertile spouse is forbidden, just like same-sex relations?
I agree with much of this, especially the part about homosexuals hating a person who differs one jot or iota from how the FEEEEEEEEL!!!
I keep having this recurring thought that there is some massive social engineering project in the works and these ‘social issues’ are merely precursor experiments to see how quickly ridiculous ideas can be foisted into the ‘group think’ of society. At some point, I suspect in the near future, when the masses have been sufficiently massaged, there will be a final move towards indoctrination at some very basic - perhaps ideological or political - level that will redefine the social order on a global scale.
No, sex with your pregnant wife is ordered towards life as is sex with your post-menopoausal wife or infertile spouse. All are open to the possibility of life.
Yes, after rereading my post, it is confusing! What I mean is that we are all sinners. We were born with the stain of sin embedded in our souls. I always new I was a straight person, while my nephew always “knew” he was different from the time he can remember. Is he a worse sinner than I am because he is gay? Until those who condemn and fear LGBT people stop using generalizations, then nothing will change. Our young people have grown up with gay friends and relatives, that is why they are not afraid of proclaiming their support of civil unions. In my Mom’s young adulthood during the war, they called persons of Japanese decent, Japs. In 1947, a Japanese couple moved in next door, and for the next fifty years, my Mom said she hated the idea that she had actually used that derogatory term ever. Marsha and Frank became my families dear dear friends. Personal relationships are usually the magic pill for curing most kinds of prejudice.
How? Can a pregnant wife get pregnant again? Of course not. There is zero chance of a new pregnancy. The same with a post-menopausal woman, she has zero chance of conceiving a new life. In both cases there is no egg for any sperm to fertilise.
Surely you know that even those infertile or post menopausal have the possibility of becoming pregnant should God will it to be so. Look at the stories in the OT. As for the pregnant wife it is often the case that a husband and wife do not know of the pregnancy for some time after the egg is fertilized. When they do know of it then they can choose to abstain or continue to have sex in celebration of the new life granted to them both.
The Church’s opposition doesn’t have anything to do with the possible chance, even if infinitesimal, of pregnancy. It does not forbid marriage, for example between a man and a woman when one or both of them is infertile for some medical reason. If they are capable of engaging in the marital act–sex between a man and a woman–the act itself is ordered by its nature toward procreation. Because of infertility, procreation may never happen, but the marital act has to be possible. Permanent and irreversible and antecedent impotence, on the other hand, would preclude marriage, because it makes the specifically marital act impossible.
As you point this out, I have to agree…there is nothing wrong with sex with your pregnant, menopausal or infertile spouse. This is not the same thing.
No one is a sinner “because they are gay”. A homosexual becomes a sinner when he participates in homosexual behavior (sodomy, etc.)Yes, after rereading my post, it is confusing! What I mean is that we are all sinners. We were born with the stain of sin embedded in our souls. I always new I was a straight person, while my nephew always “knew” he was different from the time he can remember.** Is he a worse sinner than I am because he is gay?** Until those who condemn and fear LGBT people stop using generalizations, then nothing will change. Our young people have grown up with gay friends and relatives, that is why they are not afraid of proclaiming their support of civil unions. In my Mom’s young adulthood during the war, they called persons of Japanese decent, Japs. In 1947, a Japanese couple moved in next door, and for the next fifty years, my Mom said she hated the idea that she had actually used that derogatory term ever. Marsha and Frank became my families dear dear friends. Personal relationships are usually the magic pill for curing most kinds of prejudice.
God is omnipotent. Two lesbians can become pregnant together should God will it to be so. Two gay men can become pregnant together should God will it to be so. Or am I wrong in thinking that an omnipotent God can do anything?
Which shows that your statement that a new life must be possible is not found in the Bible. Nor is it found in Catholic practice. Consummation of a marriage is required; children are not. A childless couple cannot get an automatic annulment the way that a non-consummated couple can. The Church itself recognises the difference between consummation and having children. As I said before, your argument needs some work.
While my comprehensive understanding may be lacking… I agree with the Church’s teaching regarding Homosexuality…Do you?
Look at the top right of my posts, where it says, “Religion: Buddhist”. I disagree with a great deal of what the Catholic Church says.
Exactly, a sinner just like any non married person have sex outside of marriage. I too am in favor of civil unions, but not of forcing any religious institution to perform marriages if they do not choose to do so. My dear nephew and his partner of fifteen years are very conflicted about the marriage issue. They are both well respected physicians who teach at a top ten med school and from the beginning made sure that legally all issues are taken care of such as health decisions and inheritance. If civil unions were available in their Midwestern state, I have no idea what they would decide. I cannot see that in ten years we will be debating this issue - it will be part of life. Maybe by then we will be worked more about helping those in need instead of patrolling bedrooms.
Buddhists along with many other of the world’s great traditions agree or closely agree with the Catholic position on Marriage and Homosexuality. As Catholics, our surrender to a higher power is in practice aligning our lives to the teachings of the church to eliminate our ego from taking it’s own position on such matters.
I wonder why two respected and obviously intelligent physicians would engage in a homosexual relationship when the chance of sexually transmitted disease is so high within the homosexual community. Also the rate of suicide is extremely high within that group.Exactly, a sinner just like any non married person have sex outside of marriage. I too am in favor of civil unions, but not of forcing any religious institution to perform marriages if they do not choose to do so. My dear nephew and his partner of fifteen years are very conflicted about the marriage issue. They are both well respected physicians who teach at a top ten med school and from the beginning made sure that legally all issues are taken care of such as health decisions and inheritance. If civil unions were available in their Midwestern state, I have no idea what they would decide. I cannot see that in ten years we will be debating this issue - it will be part of life. Maybe by then we will be worked more about helping those in need instead of patrolling bedrooms.
”I wonder why two respected and obviously intelligent physicians would engage in a heterosexual relationship when the chance of sexually transmitted disease is so high within the heterosexual community compared to lesbiansI wonder why two respected and obviously intelligent physicians would engage in a homosexual relationship when the chance of sexually transmitted disease is so high within the homosexual community. Also the rate of suicide is extremely high within that group.
I am not sure what you mean by:…
“Maybe by then we will be worked more about helping those in need instead of patrolling bedrooms.
I, for one, am not interested in patrolling bedrooms. But I will not tolerate having my children told that homosexual behavior is normal and acceptable.
Oh my…those lucky lesbians. A lower rate of STD’s compared to normal people.
On homosexuality, Buddhism has the same split as Christianity between liberals and conservatives. I am sure it will come as no surprise to you that I am on the liberal side in this debate.
Catholicism does not have the split you speak of. It is very clear on this topic. Whether people ascend to the understanding that is the church’s teaching is another matter.