Homosexuality And Why The Church Is Wrong

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Johnny760 said:
…I know the chances of a half decent rebuttal to this is slim, but I had to let you know my opinion.
-Johnny
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I’m sorry that you surmised that already and incorrectly too. So far, you have received very kind, loving responses, just as you did when you started the thread below last May.

Confused about my sexuality. Help please.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=7872832#post7872832

The Church is not wrong and She has never said that people who suffer from same sex attraction are evil. You are called to chastity, just as everyone else is called to chastity, whether they are attracted to the opposite sex or the same sex. Even married couples are called to be chaste in marriage. We are all held to the same standard.
 
Havard said:
A rant completely skews the Church’s teaching on same sex attraction, which ends with this kind of remark?

I call troll. :rolleyes:

I’m happy to engage people in charitable discussions, but yeah, until I see a sign of good faith from the OP’s end… troll.
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Calling a troll someone that clearly rants out of frustration is not charitable and does not bring them close to the truth. You are correct, it is a rant and it is obvious that the poster is not here to debate a philosophical principle but he is here to express frustration toward some bad behaviors shown by Catholics. It looks like that rant does not skew the teaching of the Church but is shows the skewed ideas that some Church members express even when contrary to her teachings.We are not to be charitable only to people that we like and that meet our conditions, we are called to be charitable to everybody all the time.
 
Johnny760, please thoroughly read and re-read manualman’s reply. It is a great answer to your post and thanks manualman for taking the time to write that for all of us to learn from.
Johnny760 God bless you with the difficulties you will face on your Christian walk in dealing with your homosexuality. I do agree with Michelle in her saying “it does mean that you may be called to a life of celibacy”
 
Johnny760 said:
The only reason why I’m writing this is because I’m sick and tired of being called ‘evil’ just because of my sexual orientation.

I strongly believe I’m a loving person. I love my life, my family and friends. ALL human beings are creatures of love, no matter what they are attracted to.

At the end of the day that’s all it is, a sexual orientation. Just because I’m gay doesnt mean I’m ‘evil’. I’m tired of the Catholic Church in particular persuading people that it’s wrong. It is not, nor has it ever been.

In reference to another thread about gay couples being allowed to adopt, to quote one of this websites answers “Adoption is for the benefit of the child involved”. Are you saying a child is better to be in a foster home rather than be adopted by a same-sex couple? I am telling you that any child would be lucky to have two dads or two mothers.

Homosexuality is not contagious, its not caused by mothers ‘loving’ their child that bit too much. I was born this way.

I always wonder why the Church continues this mentality, when thousands of people (teenagers in particular) are committing suicide because they can’t live with being gay because YOU are telling them they are evil?
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Sorry but it’s unnatural. I’d like to go deeply into it but I think you will get a grilling enough from the others.
I know the chances of a half decent rebuttal to this is slim, but I had to let you know my opinion.
-Johnny
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I hope you don’t really feel that way about it.

Listen, if you don’t agree with what the church and its followers believe, then you shouldn’t be counting yourself catholic. Like I wouldn’t call myself a supporter of the Conservative political party… why? Because I don’t agree with any of it!
 
Cristiano said:
Calling a troll someone that clearly rants out of frustration is not charitable and does not bring them close to the truth. You are correct, it is a rant and it is obvious that the poster is not here to debate a philosophical principle but he is here to express frustration toward some bad behaviors shown by Catholics. It looks like that rant does not skew the teaching of the Church but is shows the skewed ideas that some Church members express even when contrary to her teachings.We are not to be charitable only to people that we like and that meet our conditions, we are called to be charitable to everybody all the time.
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For heaven’s sake, look at the OP’s history. He received loving advice in the past on here. Saying “I don’t expect any decent responses” is an attack on the people here, and flies in the face of anything anyone here has done for him thus far.

If this is a person who truly seeks the truth, he’s going about entirely the wrong way, and rightly should be called out for his highly inappropriate behavior.
 
Havard said:
For heaven’s sake, look at the OP’s history. He received loving advice in the past on here. Saying “I don’t expect any decent responses” is an attack on the people here, and flies in the face of anything anyone here has done for him thus far.

If this is a person who truly seeks the truth, he’s going about entirely the wrong way, and rightly should be called out for his highly inappropriate behavior.
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You are correct that he might be going it the wrong way. You are also correct that we should correct him if he is doing that. However, we are not dispensed from the obligation of charity.
 
Johnny760 said:
The only reason why I’m writing this is because I’m sick and tired of being called ‘evil’ just because of my sexual orientation.

I strongly believe I’m a loving person. I love my life, my family and friends. ALL human beings are creatures of love, no matter what they are attracted to.

At the end of the day that’s all it is, a sexual orientation. Just because I’m gay doesnt mean I’m ‘evil’. I’m tired of the Catholic Church in particular persuading people that it’s wrong. It is not, nor has it ever been.

In reference to another thread about gay couples being allowed to adopt, to quote one of this websites answers “Adoption is for the benefit of the child involved”. Are you saying a child is better to be in a foster home rather than be adopted by a same-sex couple? I am telling you that any child would be lucky to have two dads or two mothers.

Homosexuality is not contagious, its not caused by mothers ‘loving’ their child that bit too much. I was born this way.

I always wonder why the Church continues this mentality, when thousands of people (teenagers in particular) are committing suicide because they can’t live with being gay because YOU are telling them they are evil?

I know the chances of a half decent rebuttal to this is slim, but I had to let you know my opinion.
-Johnny
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Hi Johnny

I would like to start to say that no you are not evil for gay, I do assume that you are a Christian or you would not be on this site. Being a Christian is not only saying thank you Jesus for going on the cross for my sin and to go on with our life as we always did. But to me it is to recognize what Jesus as done for us to received is gift to allow the Holy spirit to enter our life and let our self be change by Him. The problem is that some of us not to say most of us are still fitting to remain the same because we refuse to walk according to His way. Does Jesus love you of course he does Johnny but are you willing to make the same sacrifice He did for you and carry this cross. It wont be easy and impossible by your self but with Him all things are possible. I will asked God to give you strenght Johnny and I hope will surch His will for your life, you are not alone we all have to do this but for some of us it is more demending because this emotion of being love by someone is attached to it.

Let me ask you, if you new that I was in a relationship with someone who does not believe in God and that I was being influence by that person and I was starting to tern away from the inheritence that can only be found with Christ would you warn me.
 
littlebum2002 said:
I am a Catholic, and I find nothing wrong with homosexuality. There is no reason you cannot be a Catholic and disagree with the Pope,.

The Pope, after all, is the one who first said you have to listen to the Pope to be Catholic. Sounds pretty convenient to me.

Jesus appointed Peter, and his successors, as leaders of His Church. That does not mean they have the authority to tell you what to believe and how to think. You can be a perfectly good Catholic and disagree with Church doctrine, despite what people on this forum will tell you.

I am a happily married heterosexual Catholic, but I personally think that homosexual relations inside a lifelong, monogamous loving marriage is any different than relations between a sterile married heterosexual couple.** If anyone has any logical reason why this is not true, I would be glad to listen. So far I have heard none.**
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Emphasis mine. I think this statement of yours is a falsehood. Many people here have made many logical reasons why, and you simply refuse to hear them at all.
 
Cristiano said:
You are correct that he might be going it the wrong way. You are also correct that we should correct him if he is doing that. However, we are not dispensed from the obligation of charity.
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Charity is not coddling, and as you’ll notice I told the OP that I am certainly not opposed to charitable discussions. The Lord helped those who came to Him in good faith, but those who came to Him in bad faith, He rebuked. I don’t think it is unreasonable to make this clear, and to ask for a show of good faith. Especially considering how many troll threads there have been lately. Many poor CAF posters have spent a lot of time and thought responding to these threads, only to find out the threads were never based on true events to begin with.
 
Havard said:
Charity is not coddling, …
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You are correct, we should not indulge bad behaviors in the name of charity. I still think that calling someone a troll is not very charitable as name calling in general. Here on CAF I called people trolls, I felt righteous about it and I thought that it was funny too. However, I still think that I was wrong in doing that.
 
Johnny760 said:
At the end of the day that’s all it is, a sexual orientation. Just because I’m gay doesnt mean I’m ‘evil’. I’m tired of the Catholic Church in particular persuading people that it’s wrong. It is not, nor has it ever been.
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You don’t seem to be well catechized. Your post fails to distinguish between actions and inclinations. Perhaps the catechism could help. Go to the index and look up homosexuality then turn to those sections and read them.
 
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Oh, how surprising, another complete misunderstanding of Church doctrine.

If you don’t understand it, that’s one thing. But to come on here and start spewing lies about what the Church actually does say is entirely ignorant.
 
Cristiano said:
You are correct, we should not indulge bad behaviors in the name of charity. I still think that calling someone a troll is not very charitable as name calling in general. Here on CAF I called people trolls, I felt righteous about it and I thought that it was funny too. However, I still think that I was wrong in doing that.
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Fair enough.

@OP:

I apologize for assuming that you are a troll, and for making that known. Your behavior does raise questions, however. Please make a sign of good faith to show us that you are willing to engage in this discussion with sincerity and charity towards the people here, who only want what is best for you.
 
Where is that part in the Catechism that rules homosexuality out of the question? I was looking for it but can’t seem to get it online, if I had my Catechism with me I’d find it straight away.
 
To be a true Catholic means you adhere to the dogma & doctrines of the Church. It is not okay to be a “cafeteria Catholic”. Taking this dogma, leaving that one, a little bit of this belief, none of that.
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Prove it.

I believe the Pope was mistaken when he said that the Church has the authority to alone interpret the Bible correctly and tell people what God wants us to believe.

I believe the Pope is the representative of Jesus on earth, and he is our spiritual role model. I believe in all essential catholic doctrine (assumption, immaculate conception, dual nature of Christ, True Presence, confession to a priest, etc.) Therefore, I am Catholic.

It is your personal opinion (and the opinion of many Catholics, including the Pope) that the Pope was infallible when he said he is infallible. I’m asking you to prove it.

I simply believe God wants us to all interpret His words ourselves, which means even as Catholics, we are in no way obligated to share the Pope’s interpretation of scripture. You say we are, so I ask you to prove it.
 
Homosexuality is a type of mental illness like the church states. it is caused by confusion.

With love, an Exhomosexual.
 
nickybr38 said:
… Hee. I read that several times. Exhomosexual? Is this a new sexual identity term?

It took my brain a bit to translate. I just thought I’d share my ultimate blonde moment. 😉
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LOL It means I’m straight now haha
 
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