tired of being called ‘evil’ just because of my sexual orientation.
Having same sex attraction is not a sin. But a gay life style is. However your understanding of this fact will ultimately be dependent on what you mean by the word “wrong”.
Pragmatically speaking there is nothing wrong with it; and the moral attitude of today’s society is for the most part pragmatic.
Metaphysically speaking, however, a homosexual relationship contradicts what we are
essentially. Catholic morality is for the most part essentialist in nature. You are essentially a
Man; your sexual identity
begins with the fact that you are a
Man. Thus you ought to value that fact absolutely; since if you are an essentialist you cannot deny that your gender has a fundamental role to play when defining what you are sexually and therefore what you do with your sexuality. Thus any attractions that are contrary to the self-evident fact that you are a man is by definition an
impediment insofar as it stops you from fully expressing the intrinsic nature of your
gender identity and encourages you to act or behave in a way that does not reflect the intrinsic value of your gender identity. It is in this very real sense that you have
disordered attractions, and this is why it would be wrong to act on it, quite simply because it does not reflect the good of what you are essentially.
A lot of people treat their human experiences like a “user identity”; they are very pragmatic and utilitarian when it comes to desire. And so it is easy to treat gender as an irrelevant attribute when faced with a competing desires or attractions. But If you value your Gender identity and admit it is fundamentally relevant in defining your sexual identity, then you will come to the same conclusion that I myself as a supposed
bi-sexual am aware of.
It is impossible to live a gay lifestyle.
The question is, are you willing to express your attractions even if they conflict with the intrinsic value of your gender identity. I am not, because it is evident to me that my gender is fundamental to what I am sexually and that the reality of sexual attraction is contingent upon that fact. Thus my gender is what ultimately defines my sexuality and therefore my sexual dignity. Homosexuality undermines that dignity.
I strongly believe I’m a loving person.
I would not disagree with this as I don’t know you enough to make a judgement either way. I can say that I am a loving person to. But its not really relevant to the question of whether or not a homosexual lifestyle truly reflects the good of our fundamental objective nature. You cannot really be a child of love if you knowingly promote a lie. Instead of advocating the fallacy that your sexual identity begins with and is defined by your attractions alone and that therefore to be true to yourself is to be true to your homosexual attractions, maybe you should consider that the true test of character is whether or not you are willing to sacrifice your attractions for what you are
essentially and fundamentally in terms of your gender identity. Or are you going to follow your desires instead?
Far from embracing your true identity, you are allowing the ignorance of human society to rob you of you true identity and brainwash you into accepting an ideology that is not a true reflection of your gender.
Just because I’m gay doesn’t mean I’m ‘evil’.
I wouldn’t say that you are gay. You have homosexual attractions, this is true; but you are essentially a heterosexual insofar as that is the intrinsic implication of your gender identity. But what you have said in terms of orientations not being a reflection of moral character, is true. Having a disorder does not make you evil; and I don’t believe the Church has said otherwise.
“Adoption is for the benefit of the child involved”.
My mind is not made up completely on this issue. While I am in general against it because I believe that having a mother and a father is a
child’s natural birth right, I am willing to recognise the possibility that some circumstances may make the adoption morally legit. But it would have to be extreme circumstances that could not be solved any other-way.
I always wonder why the Church continues this mentality, when thousands of people (teenagers in particular) are committing suicide because they can’t live with being gay because YOU are telling them they are evil?
Is it really true that they commit suicide because the church says that a gay lifestyle is a sin? Or is possible that at least some of them can’t live with the reality of being sexually broken. Some people cannot live with the the humiliation of not being able to fully express their gender-identity like other people of the same gender. It is not uncommon that people who lose an arm or a leg want to commit suicide. They feel that way because they don’t feel complete and thus they feel like they have less value compared to somebody with all their limbs; thus their confidence is trashed. But trying to convince somebody that losing an arm is not an impediment is not dealing with the issue
honestly. Neither is honest to tell people who have same sex attractions that gay is what they are and that they should embrace it.
The fact that you failed to convince these suicide victims that being gay is normal and is something they can live with, is not rational evidence that the church is responsible for their deaths.
a half decent rebuttal to this is slim
-Johnny
You were evidently mistaken. Although I get the feeling that you are not open to the possibility of being wrong. Good day to you sir.
