Homosexuality as sexist

[Debora123]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

No, I don’t see it that way at all.

While homosexual activity is a sin, the orientation of being homosexual (or having SSA) is something that is not freely chosen… so it cannot be “sexist.”

 

[PumpkinSeed]

I suggest that the recent rise of homosexuality is a reaction made by a patriarchical culture to the movement to give women equal rights. Homosexuals are trying to derive women even of the status in human relationships.

A homosexual is effectively saying “I can go ahead and have a sexual relationship without including women, without having the consent of a woman.” Homosexuality seems to be all about reducing the power and status of women- of making them unnecessary. I think, in spirit and effect, it is almost akin to rape.

Does anyone else see it this way?

You do realize that the same could be said to men. Lesbians exist too you know.
When people hear the word ‘homosexuals’ they usually think of only MEN. But WOMEN can be gay too. Its called being a lesbian.

 

[PeterJohn]

Questions for Catholics supporting gay marriages in the USA:
Aren’t we supposed to try and stand up for what is right, that is, what is right as decided by God?

What would Jesus say about gay marriage if he were an American? Would he support it?
Don’t forget, this is our country, WE are responsible for it by definition(democracy). We will be held accountable for its direction.

Who gets married and does not have sex… C’mon.- are we to support gay marriage but hope they don’t have sex?

Gods people were the Israelites, but he sent jonah into a gentile country to reform it even though they weren’t His chosen people . Are we to believe he wouldn’t want us to reform our country to suit His divinely established morality/law?

Sure there have been homosexuals throughout history but nature by rule will not allow them to procreate and start families. Don’t you think homosexuals who want equal rights and who want to be in a marriage will now want families equally as much as you? Or do you think they won’t becaus they are different? Don’t children developmentally need a male and female household? Aren’t we seeing problems already with children without both maternal parents around?

It’s a fact that in some countries that have legalized homosexual unions there is higher domestic violence within homosexual households then in heterosexual households right?

Is homosexual marriage Gods will? If not, are you supporting Gods will?
If not, are you going against Gods will?

 

[lampstand]

“It’s a fact that in some countries that have legalized homosexual unions there is higher domestic violence within homosexual households then in heterosexual households right?”

No. The rates are about the same.

 

[PeterJohn]

“It’s a fact that in some countries that have legalized homosexual unions there is higher domestic violence within homosexual households then in heterosexual households right?”

No. The rates are about the same.

Here is my source.
frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

 

[62Joy]

I just read many of the posts here and feel there is a lot of misinformation around homosexuality. There is no “rise” in numbers. There is no evidence that the percentage of homosexual people is any more or less than anytime in history.

The difference is that now people feel freer to talk about their sexuality. I think it is a good thing that society is finally realizing that these folks have always been around us and that a homosexual is not “made” but born. I was shocked to read that someone actually told Angelina Jolie that if she continued dressing her daughter in boys clothing she would become a lesbian. I have also heard it said that a homosexual is likely to be a “child molester”. Equally ridiculous. Slowly, all the old misinformation and prejudice will go, if not away, at least in hiding. Similar to every other prejudice and injustice in our society.

When the light of day shines on it and people get to know the people they are so afraid of…it will fade if not in this generation than the next. Blessings.

 

[Gaber]

I just read many of the posts here and feel there is a lot of misinformation around homosexuality. There is no “rise” in numbers. There is no evidence that the percentage of homosexual people is any more or less than anytime in history.

The difference is that now people feel freer to talk about their sexuality. I think it is a good thing that society is finally realizing that these folks have always been around us and that a homosexual is not “made” but born. I was shocked to read that someone actually told Angelina Jolie that if she continued dressing her daughter in boys clothing she would become a lesbian. I have also heard it said that a homosexual is likely to be a “child molester”. Equally ridiculous. Slowly, all the old misinformation and prejudice will go, if not away, at least in hiding. Similar to every other prejudice and injustice in our society.

When the light of day shines on it and people get to know the people they are so afraid of…it will fade if not in this generation than the next. Blessings.

That is sane and well said. thank you for your contribution!

 

[NeedImprovement]

OK, so was this a bid for the Papacy to make the U.S. a territory under Vatican rule? . . .

If it was, it doesn’t look to have succeeded - does it ?

What struck me was how apropos senator Goldwater’s comments would have been in expressing the modern-day heterosexual mindset if we were to exchange “normalisation of homosexuality” for the term “conservatism” .

Here’s what you posted :

. . . Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism. ~Barry Goldwater

• And here’s how it would aptly appear with the change :

the heterosexual sense of conviction:

. . . Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of the normalization of homosexuality.

• the big difference being that not too many politicians, judges ( read “legislators”) “endure” the “threats” of the gay militant faction ; too often they bow to the gay intimidation out of fear instead . -:sad_yes:

Since there appears to be a considerable amount of content on this thread being added from a few more recent, um, “participants”, which leans towards turning it into an anti-Catholic rant , it would be difficult to justify my own participation here any further.

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In closing, I would note that, in my limited opinion Gaber , Senator Barry Goldwater was one of the worst sources you could choose to quote in support of your misguided notions :

In his civil rights speech of June 11, 1963, President John F. Kennedy (well go figure - a Catholic president- of all people ! . . . . . . ) promised a bill -

that would provide “the kind of equality of treatment which we would want for ourselves.” He then sent the bill to Congress on June 19, when it was introduced in Congress by Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield.

Kennedy was unable to advance the bill, but after his death, the President Lyndon Johnson decided to use his power in Congress to pass it. Despite an 83-day filibuster in the Senate by Southern Democrats, both parties in Congress voted overwhelmingly in favor of the Act, and President Johnson signed the bill into law on July 2, 1964.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964, Pub. L. No. 88-352, 78 Stat. 241 (July 2, 1964), in the United States was landmark legislation outlawing discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Originally conceived to protect the rights of black men, the bill was amended prior to passage to protect the civil rights of all men and women.

The Act transformed American society. It prohibited discrimination in public facilities, in government, and in employment. The “Jim Crow” laws in the South were abolished, and it was illegal to compel segregation of the races in schools, housing, or hiring. Enforcement powers were initially weak, but they grew over the years, and later programs (such as affirmative action) were made possible by the Act.

So a Catholic President actually gave us the Civil Rights Act of 1964 .

Guess what Gaber ? Barry Gold water opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ! In the words of David Farber, he joined the ranks of racist southern Democratic senators :

After Barry Goldwater joined the ranks of racist southern Democratic senators to oppose the 1964 Civil Rights Act, his Republican colleague Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen dismissed Goldwater’s ideological justifications. Speaking on the Senate floor, Dirksen charged Goldwater with fighting for a base cause against an act that history demanded: “Utter all the extreme opinions that you will, it will carry forward. You can go ahead and talk about conscience! It is man’s conscience that speaks in every generation. . .

t-vox.org/index.php?title=Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

hnn.us/articles/126630.html

I don’t even think my arguments are required here any more - your own posts seem to have this built-in tendency to, well . . .

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I wish you well.

God Bless.

 

[fix]

Wow! then maybe he really knew what he was talking about!

He is a good source to quote for those who support deviant behavior

 

[fix]

I just read many of the posts here and feel there is a lot of misinformation around homosexuality. There is no “rise” in numbers. There is no evidence that the percentage of homosexual people is any more or less than anytime in history.

The difference is that now people feel freer to talk about their sexuality. I think it is a good thing that society is finally realizing that these folks have always been around us and that a homosexual is not “made” but born. I was shocked to read that someone actually told Angelina Jolie that if she continued dressing her daughter in boys clothing she would become a lesbian. I have also heard it said that a homosexual is likely to be a “child molester”. Equally ridiculous. Slowly, all the old misinformation and prejudice will go, if not away, at least in hiding. Similar to every other prejudice and injustice in our society.

When the light of day shines on it and people get to know the people they are so afraid of…it will fade if not in this generation than the next. Blessings.

There is no virtue on normalizing immoral behavior