Homosexuality as the cause of the priest abuse scandal

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I’ve heard that homosexuality has been considered the cause of the priest abuse scandal. I was curious if there were any secular, non-Catholic sources that prove this link (as a friend argued with me that the scandal and homosexuality are not at all related).

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[EDIT] I had asked someone to address Cardinal Bertone’s recent statement that the cause of the priest abuse scandal is homosexuality, to which they responded as follows:
"I can provide several arguments. Examples of shinning men. Men who work with and for their communities who are gay. They don’t go after teenage boys they don’t touch children. This isn’t caused by homosexuality but the violent hate crimes against those of us in the homosexual community is only furthered by your religious zealot propaganda. Have you researched this amongst heterosexuals? More fathers are in prison for touching their daughters, male family members touching granddaughters, nieces, sisters even. Mothers have been known to touch their teenage son’s friends. This isn’t just a homosexual issue. Talk to young men and women who’ve been molested… It’s an issue of trust. They people that are targeted trusted their abuser. This idea that it’s just a homosexual issue is simply ludicrous.
It’s due to ******** like this that we have such a high suicide rate in our community. We can’t turn to anyone and say “I’m gay” With out some one like you or other bigot *******s saying we’re baby rapers and that. Sorry to say but the fear and closest’s we live in is caused by people like you."
How do I even approach this issue? It’s totally wrong but coming right out and attacking it risks hurting this person. How should I proceed?
 
There’s probably many factors going on to create homosexuality and pedophilia.

My sense is that it’s reasonable to believe that a 21 year-old homosexual might very well find a 17 year-old young man sexually appealing.
 
**Jesus taught us; "“Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” (JN 8:7)

The facts are clear.

Over 80% (some reports indicate 90%) of the sexual abuse victims were adolescent males. Male sexual attraction to male is by definition “Homosexual.”

No one is saying that all Homosexuals are evil. Heterosexuals who abuse adolescents or even adults outside of marriage are just as guilty of a grave evil!

The Good News is that Jesus Loves us, as we are all sinners, & He died for our sins on the Cross. All we have to do is accept His Divine Mercy & "“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.” (MK 1:15)**

We are simply saying the facts prove that the scandal was clearly caused by Homosexuals who were allowed to prey on innocent (or not so innocent) adolescent males because weak, liberal Bishops were not strong enough to remove the accused from aces to the vulnerable until guilt or innocence could be proven.
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Those men & women who are “Examples of shinning men. Men who work with and for their communities who are gay. They don’t go after teenage boys they don’t touch children.” are to be applauded!**

Claiming there are more Heterosexuals in prison for abuse is another gross misrepresentation of the facts. Homosexuals compromise a very small percentage of the population (10% is probably an exaggeration) & therefore comparisons of raw number are just another set of lies used as propaganda in the media & society.

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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Catholics ought to be more careful about casting blame. To the passive observer it sounds like the church is trying to avoid taking responsibility.
 
The scandal isn’t the pedophilia, it’s that the authorities didn’t turn them in or at least remove them from position that involved working with children. That’s what people are upset about as far as I understand.
 
The scandal isn’t the pedophilia, it’s that the authorities didn’t turn them in or at least remove them from position that involved working with children. That’s what people are upset about as far as I understand.
QFT!
 
There’s probably many factors going on to create homosexuality and pedophilia.

My sense is that it’s reasonable to believe that a 21 year-old homosexual might very well find a 17 year-old young man sexually appealing.
True. The age difference (4 years) would be factor under law (the under 17 thing), but generally not that great a difference societally (age difference only).

Of course, some people are actually attracted to people much older or younger than them. If both partners are of married and consenting, then there’s no legal or moral issue. On the other hand, morally speaking, no marriage makes it wrong. Legally, as well as morally speaking, if one of the participants is under 18 and the other participant is 18 or over, then someone could go to jail unless they are married (for example, a man 18 and over can marry a girl of 12 (with parental consent) in Massachusetts).

Here we have something more…there wasn’t any real consent. These men demonstrated the worst traits of pick-up artists and use their abilities to isolate themselves with teenaged boys (<18 years) and engage in sexual contact with them. These kids trusted the priests who, they are taught correctly, act as Alter Christus. What does this Alter Christus do to them? He violates that trust hurting not only his own soul but the soul of the kid he’s taking advantage of in the name of the cloth! Terrible! How many people have been turned away from the Church behind these scandals?

As a person who is dealing with same-sex attractions every minute of every day of my life, let me say pointedly that I repudiate in the strongest terms the actions of these priests and everyone who enabled them to do what they did. My heart goes out to each and every victim of this scandal, especially those directly affected (those abused, their families and friends), as well as those indirectly affected (those who lost their faith behind the scandals).

We must all pray for everyone involved in the scandal, whether perpetrator, enabler or victim.

That being said, it is important to also point out that these perverts represent a very small number of homosexual persons. As a person dealing with same-sex attractions, I can say that I never found a person that young to be attractive except when I was that young and I didn’t know what was going on anyway (at that stage, I really wanted friendships, not sexuality – that I wanted from my girlfriend – I wasn’t Catholic yet)! As I got older, I found I was attracted to other men my own age or near (+/-5 years). I’ve been a Catholic for four years and while I’ve fallen hard from time to time, I do try. I’ve actually made progress towards other-sex attractions, but that’s not the topic for this thread.
 
Facing Reality
Ephebophilia (sexual preference of adults for mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19) accounts for the great majority of abuse cases. That homosexual males commonly have an attraction to adolescent boys isn’t a matter of conjecture.
eg A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen. 36

In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen to nineteen years of age or younger.” 37 .[84% male; 16% female for priestly abuse according to this report].

Notes:
36. Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p. 70.
37. Karla Jay and Allen Young, *The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles *(New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275
 
I’ve heard that homosexuality has been considered the cause of the priest abuse scandal. I was curious if there were any secular, non-Catholic sources that prove this
The facts speak for themselves. The vast majority of the abuser priests – more than 90 percent – involve molesting teen-age boys.
 
When I saw that the Vatican felt homosexuality was at the root of the abuse problem made me much more positive that the vatican really has no idea what it is dealing with or how to deal with it.
 
The facts speak for themselves. The vast majority of the abuser priests – more than 90 percent – involve molesting teen-age boys.
And 90% of males who are raped in this country are raped by heterosexual men. Im sure if you asked the priests involved, the majority of them would say they are straight.
 
More facts for those who haven’t a clue

Homosexuals, Ordination and the Vatican.
(Fr J Lloyd)
"The media, either from ignorance or design, consistently refer to the “ pedophile” scandals of the “pedophile” priests. This is almost totally inaccurate since pedophile refers, technically, regardless of legal stretching, to molestation of persons under the age of puberty, roughly about 12 years ( or younger). The fact is that 96+% of all the priest crimes over the years has been with TEENAGE males, 15, 16, 17 or 18 years of age. This is same sex behavior.

“Whether consensual or not, this is technically homosexual behavior. To label such wicked behavior as “ pedophile” is to obscure the factual issue , at hand, since the molestation of pre-pubertal children is done equally by heterosexuals. Let us not call the current crimes of priests, pedophilia but be more accurate and honest by naming the actions as homosexual acts. For the more sophisticated, the term is “ ephebophilia” NOT pedophilia.”​

Thank God, Benedict XVI knows exactly what is the problem; and the further fact that there are very few cases over the last three decades, shows that the better understanding by many more bishops, and the renewal of many seminaries, are pointing in the right direction. Zero tolerance for homosexual applicants to the priesthood is helping, against the earlier psychological confusion of the 60’s and 70’s – Carl Rogers etc.
 
When I saw that the Vatican felt homosexuality was at the root of the abuse problem made me much more positive that the vatican really has no idea what it is dealing with or how to deal with it.
Totally agree.
 
Facing Reality

The infiltration of practising homosexuals into the priesthood has been documented and the subsequent laxity of some bishops in dealing with that perfidy. Michael Rose and George Weigel have analysed that era well.

From a book review (Peggy Whitcomb, 2002) of *Goodbye, Good Men *(How Liberals Brought Corruption Into The Catholic Church) by Michael S. Rose.“While America began to contend with this on-going public assault, a truly monstrous, secretive attack was launched into the heart of the Roman Catholic Church – the seminaries, where priests-to-be develop their vocation and are trained in preparation for service to God. The media witchhunt of ‘political correctness’ scaring the leadership into submission, and disbelief on the part of the laity that the church’s hierarchy would allow its destruction, were the rocks that hid the growing corruption. What was hidden is now being exposed to the light of day, but too late for many good men who were turned away from the seminaries (creating priest shortages); too late for the many, many young men and boys, children of Catholic families in the pews, who were sexually exploited by immoral homosexuals who had been welcomed into the seminaries, ordained and promoted into positions of leadership.

“In Goodbye, Good Men Michael Rose says that men who entered the priesthood before the 1970’s, and the newest priests today generally accept celibacy as crucial to their service and are devoted to the orthodox teachings, sacraments and traditions of the church. But that in-between generation, now ensconced in the church’s leadership (except for some few who courageously resisted the corruption) are determined to ‘change the structure and mission of the Catholic Church’; their goal is a secularized and desacralized institution led perhaps by priestesses, or perhaps by a priestless, organized laity giving the sacraments."
 
And 90% of males who are raped in this country are raped by heterosexual men. Im sure if you asked the priests involved, the majority of them would say they are straight.
Totally agree.
I have a question.

Are these comments an example of:

A: Intellectual dishonesty.

B: Drinking tainted Kool-aid.

C: Clearly ignoring reality.

?

You choose as clearly there are no other possibilities.
 
Well, how about this then:
  1. All homosexual persons who are Catholics should be declared anathema maranatha (outside the Church until Christ comes back), cutting them off from salvation forever.
  2. The pure, holy and saintly members of the Catholic Church can remain, safe and secure from all alarm and look down their noses at those nasty, horrible homosexual sinners who can’t be saved because they’ve been permanently barred from the Church.
Otherwise, I don’t see the point of bringing this up time and time and time and time and time and time and time again!
 
It’s high time that “LCMS_No_More” faced reality.
  1. Too many psychologists have confused the public about the disorder.
  2. Catholics have been in the forefront at enabling homosexuals to face the reality and to cope with it. Fr John F Harvey O.S.F.S., is at the forefront with his book *The Truth About Homosexuality *(The Cry of the Faithful) and his Courage and Encourage Groups.
NEW YORK, January 30, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “A recent statement from the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA) supporting the inclusion of open homosexuals in the military admits that the medical group’s position on homosexuality is guided by an impetus for social action, rather than medical or scientific data.”

Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]

Of Fr Harvey’s book, Dr Joseph Nicolosi, author of Healing Homosexuality, writes: “ Here is a genuinely Catholic response to the problem of homosexuality, founded on solid psychological principles, with special understanding of a life dedicated to chastity.”
 
I have a question.

Are these comments an example of:

A: Intellectual dishonesty.

B: Drinking tainted Kool-aid.

C: Clearly ignoring reality.

?

You choose as clearly there are no other possibilities.
D: Rape is widely used as a form of power over another person, sexuality has little to no differance if they are SSA or OSA.
 
It’s high time that “LCMS_No_More” faced reality.
You have no idea the realities I’ve faced and face on a daily basis. Perhaps you don’t realize that you’re talking to/about a person who lives with and deals with SSA?
  1. Too many psychologists have confused the public about the disorder.
Very true.
  1. Catholics have been in the forefront at enabling homosexuals to face the reality and to cope with it. Fr John F Harvey O.S.F.S., is at the forefront with his book *The Truth About Homosexuality *(The Cry of the Faithful) and his Courage and Encourage Groups.
NEW YORK, January 30, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - “A recent statement from the American Psychoanalytic Association (APsaA) supporting the inclusion of open homosexuals in the military admits that the medical group’s position on homosexuality is guided by an impetus for social action, rather than medical or scientific data.”
Psychiatrist Dr Jeffrey Satinover in his monumental Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, provides solid medical and scientific facts which place the “lifestyle” with behavioural problems like alcoholism and drug addiction. He explains that the activity is “rooted in choices the individual has made in the search for pleasure, and which become so powerfully addictive that they become habitual.” For 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder. Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, Dr Jeffrey Satinover, 1996, Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.]
Of Fr Harvey’s book, Dr Joseph Nicolosi, author of Healing Homosexuality, writes: “ Here is a genuinely Catholic response to the problem of homosexuality, founded on solid psychological principles, with special understanding of a life dedicated to chastity.”
All true. Maybe you haven’t seen my other posts on the subject. In fact, it’s rather amusing that you bring up Fr. Harvey, Dr. Nicholosi, et. al. I’ve read their works extensively and agree with it.

I love Courage and support its work. For me, however, focusing on chastity alone as the way to deal with SSA only makes living with SSA more and more difficult. Why? It ignores the underlying causes of SSA and leaves us dealing only with the symptom. Instead, I choose to focus on healing the underlying issues that caused my SSA and, interestingly, the SSA has diminished greatly. Yes, I still see guys that I find attractive, but I’m able to stop and figure out why (usually inferiority feeling). I also see the futility of same-sex sexual activity because I know why I have done it (connect with the masculine) and how I’ll actually feel afterward (futility, disappointed, guilty, etc.).

What is my path to healing? I met a very cool, easy to get along with man who is straight. He’s helped by by listening to me and treating me like another man. In other words, he doesn’t scold me, he doesn’t treat me like something less than him. He treats me like a “compa” (a Spanish word that you use with good friends, it’s akin to “buddy” or “bro” – actually there’s another word for that and he uses that with me, too). We are able to just hang out and if I’m going through something, he’s there to support me.

:hmmm: The sad part is, I couldn’t find a good, practicing Catholic in order to do this!!! With attitudes like those I find among some here (I won’t name names) how in the world am I supposed to trust any straight man inside the Church for friendship when, instead of getting treated like a man when I need talk about what I’m going through, I get condescended to or told to “sit down, shut up and never, ever bring it up?” That’s the problem I’m pointing out.

Courage groups are great if you want to spend your life in constant stress and turmoil because the weight of SSA doesn’t get lifted off your back by even a microgram. Instead, the additional megaton weight of trying to not act out all the while the issues that lead to SSA still live and flourish. It’s about white knuckle and using techniques to try to distract one’s self instead of trying to figure you “why do I feel this way?” Interestingly, once I started doing that, I found what I need to work on and have done so. That makes chastity easier to deal with. Why? Because I realize where the problem is and deal with it.

Of course, there’s something to be said for group support. I would love it is Courage had a group for people who want to take the journey I’m trying to take, but alas, there isn’t. And since God isn’t inclined to heal my SSA for me, I have to take the journey of healing relatively alone and apart from any help from the people within the Church. That is truly a sad, sad state of affairs. That’s the problem I’m pointing out.

Now, why did I start this journey? Partly because I made this friend. While no one has it all together, he seems to have a lot of stuff together that I don’t. He models for me what I see lacking in myself. I kinda want some of those traits he has (he’s just a man and he loves himself as a man). Not only that, I do NOT want to grown into a bitter old man whose life has been a disappointment and I have ambitions that SSA is, frankly, in the way of.
 
LCMS_No_More
Glad to hear of your progress. All should be happy to know that “for 15 years Dr Satinover has helped over 50% to overcome their homosexual disorder.” All of these good Catholic people, Fr Harvey, Dr Nicolosi, Dr Satinover and many others, do help and the more everyone understands the better for all concerned.

BTW, I have personal experience within my own family of the problem, that’s why I offer the link to the counsel of these dedicated professionals. The fact that there is an anarchic and virulent cultural power-play in societies, should not dissuade anyone from understanding and helping those in need. It is because the Church understands this that Her faithful can and should offer help.
 
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