Homosexuality...but they love each other!

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“But they love each other!”

This has become the most common retort from the pro-homosexual /homosexual marriage agenda. We as Catholics who have young children, grandchildren and nieces/nephews growing up today have heard the question: “why can’t they get married, they love each other. Everyone who loves each other should get married!”

How do we answer this simply and succinctly? I know it is an emotional response and we can’t base this on emotion but how can we answer this in a world that is pushing this agenda faster than anything in the past?

God bless you all.
 
Well, I love a lot of people I can’t marry. I love my parents, and my good friends, and my extended family, and before she died I loved my cat. (I’d like to mention for the record that I never wanted to marry any of them either.)

It’s not love they’re talking about when they say that. You can love and live with whomever you want. It’s the sex part that they want sanctioned.

It just doesn’t sound as positive to say, “…but they want to have sex! (and have everyone say it’s OK)”

–Jen
 
revert_jen said:
It’s not love they’re talking about when they say that. You can love and live with whomever you want. It’s the sex part that they want sanctioned.

It just doesn’t sound as positive to say, “…but they want to have sex! (and have everyone say it’s OK)”

–Jen
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Not to put too fine a point on it, they probably already are having sex. What they want is a legally and socially accepted union. But even more than that they want what everybody wants, to publicly declare their love for and commitment to one another.
 
I love my daughter, but do I have the right to marry her? 99% would say “That’s sick”

In the late 1950s and early 1960s if someone said “I love my friend who happens to be the same sex, and I want to marry him…” 99% would say “That’s sick”

If my daughter said, “I love my sister, I should have the right to marry her” Most would say “That’s sick”

After 40 years of indoctrination regarding the Homosexual agenda. Americans now consider Same Sex Marriage as OK…

Reminds me of the frog in the pot theory… Put a frog in a pot of hot water and he will jump out… Put the same frog in a pot of cool water, put the pot on the stove and turn up the heat… The pot will boil, the frog will cook and Frogy won’t even know what has happened.

This is what has happened in our culture…
  • Living together without being married is now considered OK
  • Abortion is a woman’s choice… The baby can’t defend it’s self.
  • Same sex marriage is OK because the couple love each other.
  • And the list goes on…
 
Living together without being married is now considered OK

People have been living together since before the time of Christ.
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    Abortion is a woman's choice.. The baby can't defend it's self.
Abortion’s been around since before the time of Christ and the church, infallible as they are, said that life begins when you feel the child move within the womb.
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    Same sex marriage is OK because the couple love each other.
People have been born gay since…well, forever.
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    And the list goes on..
Marriage is an act between two consenting adults. Society rejects incestual relationships because we know of the genetic issues that come from it. God made gays the way they are. Who are we to judge or discriminate?
 
A man can love and want to marry a piece of paper too, but that doesn’t not make it disordered and strange, and very contrary to nature. Such is homosexual marriage. While someone may be convinced and feel love for someone of the same sex, it is not true love and attraction. It is disordered.

“Oh but they love each other!” is an old folly, an old excuse. It’s easy to beat down when arguing. It’s ridiculous. People who struggle with same-sex attraction have a hard enough cross to carry, and they should not be thinking about marriage.
 
siddhartha2 said:
Living together without being married is now considered OK

People have been living together since before the time of Christ.
Code: 
    Abortion is a woman's choice.. The baby can't defend it's self.
Abortion’s been around since before the time of Christ and the church, infallible as they are, said that life begins when you feel the child move within the womb.
Code: 
    Same sex marriage is OK because the couple love each other.
People have been born gay since…well, forever.
Code: 
    And the list goes on..
Marriage is an act between two consenting adults. Society rejects incestual relationships because we know of the genetic issues that come from it. God made gays the way they are. Who are we to judge or discriminate?
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Quite a first post there upon joining CAF.

Did you join to learn or to try to convince Catholics here to abandon Catholic beliefs and not to live their faith? The statements you made are provocative, not okay or not true.

Did you mislabel your faith ID? If not, as a Catholic, each view you expressed is not in line or consistent with Catholic teaching. If you have not received Catholic instruction at all, you will be served if you read the following, all from this very site, which is Catholic Answers, as a start, then sign up for RCIA.

Church Teachings on Same Sex Issues

Homosexuality

Gay Marriage

Seven Deadly Fallacies
The Illogic of Pro-Abortion Arguments
 
We HAVE to define marriage.

What IS marriage? Really? What does it mean? What does it do? Why do they want to be married beyond simply to declare their love to the world? Is that all marriage is for? Just to declare love and be granted certain legal rights in relation to each other?

I would define marriage as the union of man and woman to begin a biological family. In my definition love is a bonus but not a requirement. Homosexuals cannot fulfill this definition. They can never start a biological family. While not every hetero couple starts a biological family the potential to do so is there… the same cannot be said for homosexuals…

Anyway. That’s my primitive understanding of the definition of marriage. Anyone care to share a more sophisticated definition?
 
siddhartha2 said:
Living together without being married is now considered OK

People have been living together since before the time of Christ.
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Your point? People have been murdering each other and yet we still consider that wrong.
siddhartha2 said:
Abortion’s been around since before the time of Christ and the church, infallible as they are, said that life begins when you feel the child move within the womb.
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Please produce any document from the Vatican that states that. If you read the Catechism, paragraph 2270, it states when life begins, that would be during conception.
siddhartha2 said:
Marriage is an act between two consenting adults. Society rejects incestual relationships because we know of the genetic issues that come from it. God made gays the way they are. Who are we to judge or discriminate?
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God made murderers the way they are, should we allow them to murder? However you could argue that a murderer has innocent victims. I would say the same is true on abortion. God left us which his Church and a way to live. We are not perfect, but we will try our best. However to sin because we do not like the ‘rules’ or we think they should not apply to us, is in itself prideful and arrogant to God.
 
I once heard an argument against gay marriage that I think makes perfect sense…
So, two gay people love each other and should therefore be allowed to marry. Ok then, we legalize gay marriage. Then someone comes along and says that he is in love with 2 other people, and they all want to get married- how do you tell them no? And then someone else comes along and says he is in love with his dog and wants to get married to it? Allowing gays to marry opens up a gigantic can of worms, and we then wind up with anybody wanting to marry whomever or whatever they want because marriage no longer has a definition or means anything.
I have used this against several people that are pro gay marriage, and they basically are left without a legitimate, intelligent response. Works like a charm, try it sometime.
 
I love my cat too, and my cat loves me. But I don’t want to marry my cat.
 
There is nothing wrong with holy and very close friendship between people of the same sex; it is a very powerful and beautiful thing. Our society is so hyper-sexualized that non-sexual, non-familial love is downplayed- like it’s just something for children. Also, society tells us that the only powerful loves are family love and sexual love (and that friends are just nice things to have until you find a sex partner). Ancient writings depicting same-sex friendships (such as the biblical story of David and Jonathan) are viewed today as accounts of homosexual relationships. Why must everything be about sex?
 
m134e5 said:
There is nothing wrong with holy and very close friendship between people of the same sex; it is a very powerful and beautiful thing. Our society is so hyper-sexualized that non-sexual, non-familial love is downplayed- like it’s just something for children. Also, society tells us that the only powerful loves are family love and sexual love (and that friends are just nice things to have until you find a sex partner). Ancient writings depicting same-sex friendships (such as the biblical story of David and Jonathan) are viewed today as accounts of homosexual relationships. Why must everything be about sex?
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Because we are over sexualized. We value sexual relationships above all else. This is evidenced by parents who abandon their children for their current sexual partner… or women who have five children - each from different fathers… actually it’s evidenced on pretty much every TV show, movie and book you pick up.

It’s a sad world we live in right now. This culture is crazy.
 
I think the problem or at least part of it is that we’ve substituted the way we feel about something for truth. This is just a new wrinkle in the same thing – except that marriage was never really about feelings so much as a commitment to stay together for the purpose of raising children. Now it’s all about a hollywood lovey dovey feeling – if that’s there you should marry and if it’s not you should leave. The first premise is wrong – love isn’t about feelings, or at least not mainly about feelings. It’s about forming families, raising children, and deciding that you wish to give yourself to the other for life.
 
siddhartha2 said:
Living together without being married is now considered OK

People have been living together since before the time of Christ.
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But when Christ encountered those individuals he forgave them… and told them to sin no more.
siddhartha2 said:
Abortion is a woman’s choice… The baby can’t defend it’s self.

Abortion’s been around since before the time of Christ and the church, infallible as they are, said that life begins when you feel the child move within the womb.
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The Catholic Church teaches us that human life begins at the moment of conception.
siddhartha2 said:
Same sex marriage is OK because the couple love each other.

People have been born gay since…well, forever.

And the list goes on…

Marriage is an act between two consenting adults. Society rejects incestual relationships because we know of the genetic issues that come from it. God made gays the way they are. Who are we to judge or discriminate?
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People have judged and discriminated against the manner in which individuals BEHAVE - well… since before the time of Christ and the Church.
 
siddartha
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God made gays the way they are. Who are we to judge or discriminate? **

God made gays to commit sodomy and for us to look the other way? :rolleyes:
 
septimine said:
I think the problem or at least part of it is that we’ve substituted the way we feel about something for truth. This is just a new wrinkle in the same thing – except that marriage was never really about feelings so much as a commitment to stay together for the purpose of raising children. Now it’s all about a hollywood lovey dovey feeling – if that’s there you should marry and if it’s not you should leave. The first premise is wrong – love isn’t about feelings, or at least not mainly about feelings. It’s about forming families, raising children, and deciding that you wish to give yourself to the other for life.
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I agree with you that love (and therefore marriage) is about forming families. The problem is that there are many heterosexual couples marrying with absolutely no intention of having children. And there are many homosexual couples who would love nothing more than to raise a family.
 
seagal said:
I agree with you that love (and therefore marriage) is about forming families. The problem is that there are many heterosexual couples marrying with absolutely no intention of having children. And there are many homosexual couples who would love nothing more than to raise a family.
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Doesn’t that tie the purpose of homosexual marriage to there being children to adopt or in other words to the existence of heterosexual marriages? If there were no children to adopt wouldn’t that then make homosexual marriage meaningless by your reasoning? That seems pretty wrong for the justification of homosexual marriages to be based on the existences of failure in heterosexual relationships.
 
Nate13 said:
Doesn’t that tie the purpose of homosexual marriage to there being children to adopt or in other words to the existence of heterosexual marriages? If there were no children to adopt wouldn’t that then make homosexual marriage meaningless by your reasoning? That seems pretty wrong for the justification of homosexual marriages to be based on the existences of failure in heterosexual relationships.
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Sometimes people are orphaned you know. In a world without abortion there will be children that the mother/parents can not care for. Divorce is based on the existance of failure in heterosexual relationships.

Real love does not need sex in order for it to be expressed or maintained.
 
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