Homosexuality causes division between men and women but heterosexuality unites us in love

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I’m still confused. What does the thing about bars have to do with anything? And, I disagree that marriage is for the upbringing of children alone.
Regular,

Bars have absolutely nothing to do with anything and for clarity I clarified the non-sequitor. Yes you are as you say…
I’m behind the “push” for gay marriage because I don’t see how it’s destructive. In anyway.
You don’t see it, won’t see it, I see it and others see it. I could say some of us are blind. I would rather say we see what we want to see and the only way to change what we see is to change a belief. You can’t change mine. I can’t change yours. See what you will.
I disagree that marriage is for the upbringing of children alone.
We disagree about the purpose of marriage. Refer to prior statement concerning beliefs.
 
Just because Catholic morality is relatively set in stone doesn’t make it better than a morality that can be altered according to the situation.
Interested,

The problem with your statement is that lending a quality to something that is fixed and something that is arbitrary cannot be measured as better than or valued as good, better, best.

What can be done is to say there is a set of beliefs that include Morality set in stone.

There is a morality that is not static but dynamic and relativistic.

They are different. The only way to conclude value is to reference the individuals belief. Values can be changed and in that regard there may be some that wander from the fixed to the dynamic and those that wander from the dynamic to the fixed.

How do you value something that is based on personal belief. I can tell you that my values are based on whatever…however unless you have similar values they mean nothing. You have a right to choose and live your values as do I. I believe my values are better predictors of future consequence and lend to more stability however that is my opinion.
 
What divisions does it create?! I’m SO confused. I’m sure if a woman entered into a marriage with a man and realised he was a homosexual who wasn’t attracted to her and had been forced into the relationship, that would cause more of a division then if the man had simply pursued the relationships that he wanted.
Regular,

I am 64 years old. I have known lots of people in my life. I have yet to meet anyone that married someone that decided during the marriage that they were homosexual. I read about this happening. I hear you talking about it. I for the life of me have yet to meet, talk to or know anyone like this?:confused:
 
lol…can you please explain how gay marriage would result in fewer babies being born? Do you think that gay people say “well I can’t marry the man I am with so I guess I will get married to a woman and have kids instead.” PLEASE explain your logic.
Because homosexuality is a learned behavior (no such thing as a “gay gene”) that will become more common with normalizing it and calling it “marriage”. More homosexuals means less heterosexuals. And no child ever comes from a homosexual union.
 
Regular,

I am 64 years old. I have known lots of people in my life. I have yet to meet anyone that married someone that decided during the marriage that they were homosexual. I read about this happening. I hear you talking about it. I for the life of me have yet to meet, talk to or know anyone like this?:confused:
Liberals typically try to make the rare exception seem like the rule. They typically resort to brute force censorship and propaganda tactics employing the straw man, red herring, or appeal to emotion logical fallacies to detract from any reasonable, logic grounded argument. They believe that if they can change the definition of a word it will somehow change reality. Since they reject objective reality and truth, it’s impossible use logic to convince them of anything since it’s like speaking a different language.
 
Because homosexuality is a learned behavior (no such thing as a “gay gene”) that will become more common with normalizing it and calling it “marriage”. More homosexuals means less heterosexuals. And no child ever comes from a homosexual union.
I grew up in a time before Ellen, gay rights movements and certainly before gay marriage. I had two loving parents, went to Catholic schools, Confesion on friday, Mass on Sunday and was never abused by anyone. How the heck did I end up gay? Who taught me? I never even met another gay person until I went to college-and I knew who I was attracted to well before then. I knew who I was attracted to before I knew there was a word for it.

Who taught you to be attracted to people of the opposite gender?
 
Why would left wing minded people want to be destructive to society? How would they benefit from that? Also Canada’s society seems to be doing pretty well…better than America economically, and gay marriage has been legalized there for years.
Gay ‘marriage’ has not improved Canadian society. It did the opposite since its legalization in 2005.

Canadian Crackdown

We can expect a similar negative trend here in the U.S. if other states follow suit, as started by Massachusetts.
 
Regular,

I am 64 years old. I have known lots of people in my life. I have yet to meet anyone that married someone that decided during the marriage that they were homosexual. I read about this happening. I hear you talking about it. I for the life of me have yet to meet, talk to or know anyone like this?:confused:
To my knowledge, I have never met an asexual person, despite my involvement in the LGBT community. Yet there is substantial evidence that they exist.
If you would like statistical evidence of people leaving heterosexual marriages and entering homosexual relationships, see the Regnerus study.
 
To my knowledge, I have never met an asexual person, despite my involvement in the LGBT community. Yet there is substantial evidence that they exist.
If you would like statistical evidence of people leaving heterosexual marriages and entering homosexual relationships, see the Regnerus study.
River,

This is absurdity. I worked in the emergency room at San Francisco General Hospital and every Friday night we saw two regular clients. The Crossdresser that was beaten and the jumper. The Crossdresser was the one picking up men and then getting beaten because the woman they thought they picked up was a man. The Jumper was those that jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge and many were homosexuals. We saw the Drug overdoses, gunshots, drunks, stabbings and people with foreign objects stuck in their rectum. I know they exist.

I live in a neighborhood where the biggest scandal is a car accident. I get complaints from my HOA. I interact with people all day. No one is touching their genitals, no one is propositioning me, no one is looking to have sex. I recently reached out to a lady and the first thing on my mind was not sex. I was thinking having a friend would be nice. I thought having a female friend that I could talk to would be nice. I plan to have some rasberry ice tea at Mimi’s Cafe. They have really good tea.

You are a product of your social circle. I am a product of my social circle. I don’t talk to, I dont go to Church with, I don’t talk on the phone with Statistics. You have lots of sexually interested people because you choose to isolate yourself with a community that labels itself as such.

It is no different than what Stanton Peele, PhD says about the Alcholic going to AA. The poor dude going to AA is surrounded by people that have failed, people that are struggling and only learns to relate to those people. This is not the real world. If you want to learn to live in the world get out of the LGBT community or else this is how you will see the world. It is your choice.
 
Because homosexuality is a learned behavior (no such thing as a “gay gene”) that will become more common with normalizing it and calling it “marriage”. More homosexuals means less heterosexuals. And no child ever comes from a homosexual union.
I agree with Seeker. I was a faithful Catholic with no exposure to homosexuality in any form. I was not abused in any way and all of the relationships I had with my family were completely healthy. I was taught at age ten that I would have new feeling etc towards women, and these were nothing to be ashamed of. So, I had no reason to attach these feelings to my own gender. Yet when puberty hit, the entirety of my “impure thoughts” concerned men rather than women.
Because the formation of homosexual feelings takes place regardless of whether there is public acceptance of the behaviors, the rate of homosexuality will not change. Homosexuals will not become more common, just more open and accepted.
 
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agree with Seeker. I was a faithful Catholic with no exposure to homosexuality in any form. I was not abused in any way and all of the relationships I had with my family were completely healthy. I was taught at age ten that I would have new feeling etc towards women, and these were nothing to be ashamed of. So, I had no reason to attach these feelings to my own gender. Yet when puberty hit, the entirety of my “impure thoughts” concerned men rather than women.
**Because the formation of homosexual feelings takes place regardless of whether there is public acceptance of the behaviors, the rate of homosexuality will not change. Homosexuals will not become more common, just more open and accepted./**QUOTE]
River,

Have you thought of going to Chik-Fil-A recently?
 
Because homosexuality is a learned behavior (no such thing as a “gay gene”) that will become more common with normalizing it and calling it “marriage”. More homosexuals means less heterosexuals. And no child ever comes from a homosexual union.
It’s not very likely to be a learned behaviour. I don’t think you can teach people to be attracted to someone. Folk like you normally prefer the idea that homosexuality is caused by environmental factors while growing, but there may also be some other biological factors (not nessecarily genes). Neither of these causes really means there will be more homosexuals than before.
 
Because homosexuality is a learned behavior (no such thing as a “gay gene”) that will become more common with normalizing it and calling it “marriage”. More homosexuals means less heterosexuals. And no child ever comes from a homosexual union.
First of all I don’t believe this argument at all. You really think that if homosexuality is accepted more people will just decide to become gay? If homosexuality was a learned behavior why are there homosexuals in Muslim countries where people are put to death for it? From what I have read about 10% of people are gay regardless of culture.

Even if your argument were true, it would probably be better if people started having less children. The more people there are the less resources we have to go around.
 
Gay ‘marriage’ has not improved Canadian society. It did the opposite since its legalization in 2005.

Canadian Crackdown

We can expect a similar negative trend here in the U.S. if other states follow suit, as started by Massachusetts.
Well I certainly hope this happens. Racists aren’t looked upon too highly either by most people. I guess looking down on racists has had a bad effect on society too?

If you don’t want to agree with gay marriage, don’t complain if there is a backlash when you go public with your beliefs.
 
Well I certainly hope this happens. Racists aren’t looked upon too highly either by most people. I guess looking down on racists has had a bad effect on society too?

If you don’t want to agree with gay marriage, don’t complain if there is a backlash when you go public with your beliefs.
Opposition to gay ‘marriage’ =/= racism, not even close.
 
That’s not the same as men and women becoming one flesh with each other in the perfect union of their complementary opposite sex organs and their DNA combining to bring the new life of a baby into the world, all in a natural way since the male and female bodies are designed for each other. Heterosexuals unite men and women together in a naturally radical way that homosexuals can never do.
So in other words, before you had sex for the first time, you hated the opposite gender and saw the world as “us” vs “them?” You were incapable of love, empathy, or compassion towards the opposite sex?

That must be what you’re claiming, since you are saying that sex is the only possible way to keep people in “unity.”

What about someone who marries, say, a paralyzed person who cannot have sex? Or a couple in which one of the partners are infertile. You’re claiming that they cannot possibly be really in love because only the unity of sex that results in a baby can produce true love, understanding, etc? That all people who are incapable of either having children or having sex at all can never really know love with either their partner or the opposite gender as a whole?

I would be very interested for you to tell my paralyzed cousin that to his face, that he doesn’t really love his wife or women at all, he can’t, because he can’t have sex.
 
I think homosexuality should be shunned by all people -especially by those with SSA because of all the divisions it creates.
yeah, it’s just like how in Germany all those Jews were causing so much division. I mean, if those Jews just didn’t exist, the Nazis wouldn’t have been forced to hate them, right? It wasn’t the responsibility of the Nazis to just get over themselves and learn to co exist peacefully with people they disagreed with, it was *entirely *the fault of the Jews for existing in the first place.

Those Nazis had the right idea of trying to kill all those horrible divisve Jews, all being Jewish and making those poor nazis mad because they had to just watch all these Jews they hated walking around free as birds.
 
What good is a sort of “morality” that changes direction like the wind?
Originally, the Catholic’s Church stance was that if indigenous people in the New World refused to instantly convert to catholicism, they could be enslaved, raped, and killed. This was spelled out in a Papal mandate called “The Pope’s requirement” or sometimes “The Spanish Requirement.”

Later, the Church very much changed its tune and began fighting for the dignity and protection of the Natives, fought against their enslavement, and sought to convert them through programs of compassion (like building schools, hospitals, churches, etc) rather than at the end of a sword.

Are you saying that the church was wrong to change it’s morality, and that you still support raping, enslaving, and murdering Native Americans?

What about the Inquisition, do you think that should stil be going on? That the Church should still torture, burn, hang, draw and quarter, or drown heretics? That the Church’s current stance against the death penalty and violence as a whole is wrong because once the Church was a huge promoter of violence?
 
I think we should love the sinner but hate the sin as Jesus would do.
Wait…you’re saying you LOVE homosexuals and supporters of homosexual rights?

You tell them that their only motivations to want equal rights for gays is that they are hateful evil peole who want to destroy the world as we know it and destroy human society by stopping all procreation, you pretty much insult them and call them the worst people that could possibly exist, and then you say that is love? You literally decide that all gay rights advocates can’t POSSIBLy just want gay marriage because they think it’s no big deal and gays should be allowed to be married…noooo, this is impossible! No one can simply disagree with you and still be a good, law abiding person who loves society and children. Anyone who tolerates a group of people you do not tolerate only tolerates them not because they genuinely find no fault with these people…but because they are eeeeviiiil.

My God, how do you treat your CHILDREN if that is how you treat those you love?

How I imagine living world unity’s family dinners:

“Oh, I love you honey, but you got a B instead of an A. It’s too bad that you are a stupid child who wants to be afailure in life and not try your best. You must want everyone to fail. Your getting a B instead of an A is actually part of a giant plot in which you seek to destroy the entire educational system by not giving your full effort and encouraging other students to also be lazy. You are the worst little girl in the world and every motivation you have is greed, hatred, and division.”

But I LOVE YOU.

it’s like you think if you just say the words “I love you” you can then say whatever horrible, nasty, lying thing you want about a group of people and somehow it doesn’t count because, hey, you said you loved them! Guess what, you saying “I love you” isn’t some sort of get-out-of-bigotry free card where you just get to say, “but I’m not a bigot because I love them - the fact that I lie and describe a group as the most evil people in the world who are out to detroy us all doesn’t count because I said I love them!”

I’d love to see that argument hold up in court: “Well, sure your honor, there is indisputable evidence I beat my wife to death, but see, here’s a birthday card I sent her last year, it clearly says ‘I love you’ right there on the card, so as you can see, this case should be dismissed.”

Also, get a dictionary and learn what “eugenics” means. Eugenics is seeking to control the pheotypic make up of a population by encouraging breeding for people with specific genetic traits you value, and preventing people with genetic traits you don’t value from breeding. Eugenics is not the same as someone who just, for whatever reason, wants less children or no children to be born in society. Malthus was a political economist who argued that our technological advances were only allowing us to increase the human population, but not improve the standard of living for said population, and that in fact we were decreasing our standard of living in the process. Malthus wasn’t a promoter of eugenics.
 
All of that is speculation based on your flawed assumption that children don’t need morality in their lives.
Excuse me, I have morality, thank you very much. I was raised in a gay tolerant state where gay kids could kiss in the hallway at school and no one looked twice at them. I was raised by parents who told me it was just fine if I grew up and wanted to have a boyfriend OR a girlfriend.

It is extremely bigoted to say that people who don’t share your religious beliefs don’t have any morality. I’d say about 90% of the churches and temples in my area have gay pride flags out front to show their support for gay rights and acceptance.

Oh, yes, I grew up to be such a horrible person. Raised as a Catholic, but a pro gay marriage Catholic. Married to one man who is the only person I’ve ever slept with, work my whole life with cancer patients at a hospital. Never been arrested or a drug addict. Excitedly planning a family with my husband. I volunteer at my local unitarian church, and after we have our first child we plan on doing foster care for disabled kids.

Oh, look at my aunt, she is such an amoral person. She’s been married for 30 years and been a nurse for that time. She just got back from her latest trip to Africa with nurses without borders where she helped perform free operations to babies with urinary problems. She has two sons, one of whom is in medical school after being inspired by his mother’s lifetime of serivce. But she, despite being Catholic, is a gay marriage advocate who raised her kids to be accepting of homosexuals and homosexual rights. But oh, nope, she is an immoral person.

Let’s look at Dr. Paul Farmer of Brigham and Women’s Hospital. Dr. Farmer is the founder of “Partners in Health” and has dedicated his life to opening free health centers in the most impoverished areas of the United States and all over the world. He spends a huge amount of his time living and working in Haitian slums. In some aras of Haiti and Africa, his clinics are the only health care infrastructure available to people. He also is a gay marriage advocate.

Let’s look at my friend Adam, raised Catholic, raised to be told it was okay to be gay, then came out in high school and has been living as a gay man. Adam is very involved in his church and volunteers as the music instructor. he also has a doctorate in biochemical engineering and spent years working on cancer research before becoming a professor at the Univeristy of New Hampshire. Adam has never been arrested, never even been drunk so far as I know. But oh, he wasn’t raised to hate gays, so he can’t possibly have morals.

Lesley is a married heterosexual friend of mine who is expecting her first hcild and a huge advocate of gay marrriage. She is a scientist in biology who does research for a local Boston non profit hospital. The most important things to her is her work and its contributions to health care, and her family. She can’t wait for her upcoming baby!

Man, you’re right, raising children to be okay with gays and accept gay marriage can make them do horrible, immoral things…like be doctors, nurses, scientists, volunteers, and start one of the biggest health care charities in the world.

One thing this web page really does is make me so grateful for my family. I honestly think if most of the people posting here had been my parents, I would have killed myself, considering how horribly you people treat those you claim to love oh so much, and how you lie and tell them that they are horrible people who only fight for gay rights because they want to undermine society and families, and how you say anyone who doesn’t hate the same people you hate is immoral. Not to mention your truly disgusting claim that people who can’t have sex or have babies, thorugh no fault of their own, can’t ever really know love for another group of people.

I mean, I imagine all the work I’ve done in my life to be a good person, to be self reliant, a responsible law abiding citizen, to help others through my work, my charitable donations, and my volunteer work…and then have a parent who would tell me, “Oh, but none of that counts because you don’t hatge who I hate. Only people who hate the same people I hate are good people. Everyone else is worthless, immoral, and trying to ruin the world. Like you!” I don’t want to imagine a parent so emotionally abusive that they did not give me credit for any good thing I had ever done in my life, and said the only thing that mattered is who I refuse to hate and be intolerant of.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for my parents not being living word unity!!
 
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