Homosexuality & Gay Marriage... Help Me Out Here!

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Alrighty… I could use some assistance from all of you. I am a college student preparing to enter the realm of defense of traditional marriage at school. I’m not great at debating with words; I’m much better when I can write, taking time to think and phrase properly what I want to say, so this whole in-class thing will be a challenge for me. I’d like to get some good thoughts from you all, and/or some good resources, so that mentally I will be prepared with defenses, especially those that work no matter what a person’s faith may be.

We’ll be entering into a chapter on the subject in our text, and it asks us questions relating to the subject matter, so that’s what I’m looking to prepare for. Here are the questions… Oh, and (although I should not be surprised at the way a secular text misrepresents Catholic teaching, I am) the text states the following patently misleading statement as fact: “Early Christianity endorsed the position that sex is evil and degrading and should be indulged in only by married couples and only for the purpose of procreation. This remains the official position of the Roman Catholic Church.” And it cites things such as that Alfred Kinsey’s survey of American males is proof positive that sexual orientation is a myth and that all people are both homo and heterosexual. Yeah, so that’s what I’m working with here. :mad: Anyhoo, here are the questions we’ll be asked during discussion that I could use some help with:

(1) Do you believe same-sex marriages should be legalized?

and

(2) The question is, do you have judgemental tapes in your head about GLBT people?, and what I’m asking for this one is, thoughts and ideas on how to counter that judging is not necessarily a bad thing (we make judgements about things all the time, etc.), and how to counter this in a positive light.

I want to be a good witness for the truth, but many times when an issue becomes emotionally charged (and anything counter to my faith really hurts my heart) I’m no longer able to control my emotions. I’m hoping some good prep (with your help) will help me in that. Thanks! 👍
 
\I am a college student preparing to enter the realm of defense of traditional marriage at school.\

**Traditional marriage in WHICH tradition?

There were three levels of marriage in the Roman Empire.

If you’re trying to defend traditional CHRISTIAN marriage, make sure to point out that divorce should be very difficult to get and remarriage after it should be nearly impossible.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
\I am a college student preparing to enter the realm of defense of traditional marriage at school.\

**Traditional marriage in WHICH tradition?

There were three levels of marriage in the Roman Empire.

If you’re trying to defend traditional CHRISTIAN marriage, make sure to point out that divorce should be very difficult to get and remarriage after it should be nearly impossible.**
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I think you’re reading too much into my question. By traditional marriage I mean simply marriage between one man and one woman only.
 
sarahraegraham said:
Alrighty… I could use some assistance from all of you. I am a college student preparing to enter the realm of defense of traditional marriage at school. I’m not great at debating with words; I’m much better when I can write, taking time to think and phrase properly what I want to say, so this whole in-class thing will be a challenge for me. I’d like to get some good thoughts from you all, and/or some good resources, so that mentally I will be prepared with defenses, especially those that work no matter what a person’s faith may be.

We’ll be entering into a chapter on the subject in our text, and it asks us questions relating to the subject matter, so that’s what I’m looking to prepare for. Here are the questions… Oh, and (although I should not be surprised at the way a secular text misrepresents Catholic teaching, I am) the text states the following patently misleading statement as fact: “Early Christianity endorsed the position that sex is evil and degrading and should be indulged in only by married couples and only for the purpose of procreation. This remains the official position of the Roman Catholic Church.” And it cites things such as that Alfred Kinsey’s survey of American males is proof positive that sexual orientation is a myth and that all people are both homo and heterosexual. Yeah, so that’s what I’m working with here. :mad: Anyhoo, here are the questions we’ll be asked during discussion that I could use some help with:

(1) Do you believe same-sex marriages should be legalized?

and

(2) The question is, do you have judgemental tapes in your head about GLBT people?, and what I’m asking for this one is, thoughts and ideas on how to counter that judging is not necessarily a bad thing (we make judgements about things all the time, etc.), and how to counter this in a positive light.

I want to be a good witness for the truth, but many times when an issue becomes emotionally charged (and anything counter to my faith really hurts my heart) I’m no longer able to control my emotions. I’m hoping some good prep (with your help) will help me in that. Thanks! 👍
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If I were you I would start by looking into “Kinsey’s survey” or “research”. I read a few years ago that he has been found to be way off base and that his results are so twisted that they have no real statistical meaning. It also needs to be noted that the Position of some early Christian sects that broke away from the Church held that the physical world was evil, hence the view that physical relationships also were. The Church has always held that sexual relationships between a man and a woman were exclusive to Marriage.

The term “same-sex marriage” is an oxymoron.

Judging is not a bad thing we all do it all the time all day long based on our moral foundations. We judge actions and not people.
 
sarahraegraham said:
I think you’re reading too much into my question. By traditional marriage I mean simply marriage between one man and one woman only.
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Then say what you mean.

My point is that “tradition” (as in “traditional family values”) has become a buzzword conveying no concrete meaning, but merely conveying positive (usually) connotations.
 
\And it cites things such as that Alfred Kinsey’s survey of American males is proof positive that sexual orientation is a myth and that all people are both homo and heterosexual.\

I wonder if whoever cited Kinsey’s survey actually read what Kinsey actually said, which is that one in 10 males (at the time) had experienced an orgasm with a member of the same sex.

There’s a long distance between that and “one in ten males is homosexual.”

Orgasm is a neuro-muscular response. Push the buttons, twist the dials, and pull the levers, do it long enough and hard enough and fast enough and all people (except for a statistical handful) will have an orgasm.

This is one reason why victims of sexual abuse frequently have ambivalent feelings about their experience. At one level, it simply felt good.
 
bpbasilphx said:
Then say what you mean.

My point is that “tradition” (as in “traditional family values”) has become a buzzword conveying no concrete meaning, but merely conveying positive (usually) connotations.
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My question is not heady theological material; if you cannot understand what I mean and/or cannot comment without veiled insults, perhaps you should refrain from posting. If I am incorrect about your intentions, I apologize, but your response seems to convey some unnecessary hostility.
 
One of the main reasons to keep gay marriage illegal is to protect children that will be placed at a disadvantage by being put in an environment without both male and female parental figures. Perhaps you can find specific research, but it is common sense that children do best when their mom and dad are in a lifelong marriage. With gay marriage legal, adoption agencies are forbidden to discriminate between adopting couples.

Also, one argument that always bugs me is when some say they are being denied their right to marriage. If you think about it, no one is stopping a gay man from entering into marriage except himself. He has the same right to marriage (to a woman) as anyone else.

I liken it to a group of people who want to walk around town in police officer uniforms. They want to be police officers, but they demand that instead of going to police academy and training to become one, they will just put on the uniform and everyone must accept them. We wouldn’t allow this because the institution of police performs a special, even sacred duty to aid the well-being of the state.

So it boils down to whether or not the institution of marriage is either
A: a seal on a relationship that publically signifies two people are in love
B: a role that serves sociecty by raising the next generation to become upstanding citizens in such a way that the state sees definite benefits to the healthy state of marriage.
 
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