Homosexuality: Genetic or Emotional

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Hello, I have heard various arguments as to the cause of homosexuality. Some claim genetics, very few claim it is the result of emotional abuse. I did find the following article as a result of a link given on another thread. I have given only a small part of what was written. To get the full substance go to: www.narth.com/docs/catholic.html

The following letter was sent to the Catholic Bishop’s meeting in Dallas in June, 2002 to discuss the Church’s sexual abuse crisis. It was also published in the Homiletic and Pastoral Review in November, 2002. The authors are Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons and Peter Rudegeair, MS.

The authors offer suggestions for improved methods of screening and training candidates for religious life, including those candidates who are homosexually oriented.

Your Excellencies:
As a Catholic psychiatrist and psychologist who have treated a significant number of priests from various dioceses and religious communities over the past 25 years for same-sex attraction (SSA or homosexuality) and for pedophilia and ephebophilia (homosexual behavior with adolescents), we believe that our particular expertise and those of our colleagues in the Catholic Medical Association may be of help to the American bishops as they seek to create effective long term strategies to prevent the recurrence of the problems in which the Catholic Church in the United States now finds itself enmeshed.
Many have pointed out that solving the problem of sexual abuse by clergy will necessarily involve addressing the problem of SSA among priests. Bishop Wilton D. Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, admitted at a press conference in Rome on April 23 the existence of an ongoing struggle to ensure that the Catholic priesthood is not dominated by homosexual men.

As the revelations of abuse have become public it has become increasingly clear that almost all the victims are adolescent males, not prepubescent boys. The problem of priests with same-sex attractions (SSA) molesting adolescents or children must be addressed if future scandals are to be avoided.

In treating priests who have engaged in pedophilia and ephebophilia we have observed that these men almost without exception suffered from a denial of sin in their lives. They were unwilling to admit and address the profound emotional pain they experienced in childhood of loneliness, often in the father relationship, peer rejection, lack of male confidence, poor body image, sadness, and anger. This anger, which originated most often from disappointments and hurts with their peers and/or fathers, was often directed toward the Church, the Holy Father, and the religious authorities. Rejecting the Church’s teachings on sexual morality, these men for the most part adopted the utilitarian sexual ethic which the Holy Father so brilliantly critiqued in his book, Love and Responsibility. They came to see their own pleasure as the highest end and used others – including adolescents and children – as sexual objects. They consistently refused to examine their consciences, to accept the Church’s teachings on moral issues as a guide for their personal actions, or regularly avail themselves of the sacrament of reconciliation.

These priests either refused to seek spiritual direction or chose a spiritual director or confessor who openly rebelled against Church teachings on sexuality. Tragically, these mistakes allowed these men to justify their behaviors.

The Bishops, individually and collectively, should develop screening protocols which will identify men who may pose a risk to others and who cannot live the chaste celibacy required of a priest. This is essential to protect the Church and her children from further pain, sorrow and future scandals. While no screening system is absolutely foolproof, sufficient research is available to develop efficient tools for this task.

One of the major problems we have discovered in discussing this issue with the clergy and the laity is the enormous amount of misinformation about the nature, origins, and treatment of homosexuality/SSA. This is not accidental. For over twenty years, activists–intent on changing the laws on sexual orientation–have put forward a massive public-relations campaign specifically designed to spread misinformation that will change the social acceptance of homosexuality.
 
Seminaries don’t accept applicants with SSA and it is screened for now.

As far as the genetic vs emotional(not sure of this term) debate goes, I don’t think it matters theologically. It seems clear to me that the for the vast majority of those with SSA it originated from experiences in their lifetime even if it was earlier than they can remember. No one ‘chooses’ this condition as far as I am aware. I don’t rule out the possibility that a significantly small percentage of those with SSA may actually have a genetic basis for it, but it seems predominantly to be brought on in the nurture side of the debate.
 
Thanks elts, that’s a good link.

Homosexuality is an interesting and complex area to ponder.

My guess would be that if millions of years of evolution has produced people - selectively honing their features from appearance to brain circuitry, respiration, blood clotting etc etc and weeded out everything that is detrimental to reproduction then it is difficult to see how homosexuality could be genetically hard wired.
 
Even if it could somehow be proven that homosexuality has a genetic basis, that doesn’t forgive the person who acts upon their impulses. There may be a genetic basis for anger, but that wouldn’t mean a person with anger management issues can then lash out in anger with impunity.

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There was a study done some years ago regarding the link between Birth Control Pills and male homosexuality… I’m sure Planned Parenthood and the industry that makes the pills are keeping a lid on this…
One: If the mother conceives a boy within about 60 days of going off the pill this boy may have homosexual tendencies… A result of too much estrogen in the boy’s system.

Two: If the mother conceives a girl within about 60 days of going off the pill this girl will most likely have early puberty… This one I believe… My daughter who was conceived within 30 days of her mother stopping the pill started puberty at 10 years old… A lot of her girl friends, who’s moms did the same also entered puberty early… >> My two younger daughters reached puberty between 12 and 13 – Mom had given up the pill years before the conception of the younger daughters…

I’m sure there is some truth to this study. I wonder how much the pharmaceutical industry knows about birth control pills and isn’t telling us?? >> So glad my daughters know about humane vita… Wish I knew when we were first married (was Protestant then and believed the birth control lie)
The things we do with our body affects the lives of our children… This is especially true of the mother…
 
Thanks elts, that’s a good link.

Homosexuality is an interesting and complex area to ponder.

My guess would be that if millions of years of evolution has produced people - selectively honing their features from appearance to brain circuitry, respiration, blood clotting etc etc and weeded out everything that is detrimental to reproduction then it is difficult to see how homosexuality could be genetically hard wired.
Wouldn’t that be true for any number of conditions that exist and are fairly common?
 
The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and National Association of Social Workers stated in 2006:
Currently, there is no scientific consensus about the specific factors that cause an individual to become heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual — including possible biological, psychological, or social effects of the parents’ sexual orientation. However, the available evidence indicates that the vast majority of lesbian and gay adults were raised by heterosexual parents and the vast majority of children raised by lesbian and gay parents eventually grow up to be heterosexual.
courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/documents/Amer_Psychological_Assn_Amicus_Curiae_Brief.pdf

The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:
Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice.
rcpsych.ac.uk/pdf/Submission%20to%20the%20Church%20of%20England.pdf

The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2004:
Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. In recent decades, biologically based theories have been favored by experts. Although there continues to be controversy and uncertainty as to the genesis of the variety of human sexual orientations, there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood.
aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;113/6/1827
 
Scientists (including gay scientists) have proven that homosexuality is not hereditary or gene related. No conclusive evidence has ever been found.
There were a couple of bogus studies in the mid-1990’s, but have been debunked as false.

Shrinks are not genetics scientists.
Note the words that give them away. Words like “appear” and “probably” etc.
 
Scientists (including gay scientists) have proven that homosexuality is not hereditary or gene related. No conclusive evidence has ever been found.
There were a couple of bogus studies in the mid-1990’s, but have been debunked as false.
I would love it if you posted your sources.
 
I would love it if you posted your sources.
National Institute of Health, National Library of Medicine, World-wide Scientific classifications as of 2010 (updated annually)

wwwsvlt.nlm.nih.gov/class/docs/index.html

Type in search “Homosexual Gene” - you will find 0.

As a comparison, type in search “Cancer Gene” - you will find 9 hits.

However, you will find on the non-Scientific Shrink pages, supositions. We “believe” this, the “possibility” of that, it “appears” etc. can be found.
 
elts1956:

A category of sin in the class sexual. Starts with extreme subtlety and compounds quickly. Is assisted by hormonal inducements and the drive for sexual expression. Occasionally, depending on personality, and degree of strength of character is assisted by abandonment in various forms, especially during phases that define sexual orientation. ie: male model

Potential Weaknesses: despair,chronic shyness,a propensity to experiment and risk,an inordered attachment to worldly pleasures, unpracticed or lacking self control, impulsive, indifference, no particular attachment to religion, and others.

Effects: The strategy seems to follow a predictable pattern. It’s intent is to have the victim identify with the sin and solidly entrench obstinancy before any remedy he tries for this behaviour becomes effective. It attempts to quickly place the victim in the squirrel cage of compounding, which by every agreement lessens the grace that will remove him from it’s trap.

The final end is a sad one, and his life becomes a wordly fight for recognition by society, incorrectly concluding and gaining false confidence from those who side with him are God’s favourites, themselves attached to their own particular deception.

The remedy has always is the Church and her Sacraments, frequent confession, intercession by the saints, the rosary, sponsored support groups, avoidance of inappropriate occasions and selecting appropriate occasions. Closer social activity with the opposite sex. Expressions of charity and sacrifice effects great leaps of accomplishments.

Andy
 
Remember that biological is not the same as genetic. Something can have a biological basis but not be genetic.

Additionally, why some genetic types occur can be complicated. Think of sickle cell disease, which seems like it would be selected against, but of course that genetic material has some advantages from a population wide perspective in some environments.
 
So what would be the benefit of homosexuality if you are comparing it to sickle cell anemia. Its quite clear no one has proven conclusively one way or the other, but genetic seems highly unlikely to me. There are the standard arguments…how would this trait be passed on, natural selection would almost certainly select against it and so forth.

What gets me is the prevalence of it in modern times. SSA and Homosexuality have skyrocketed in the past 40 years. I’m sure some of this can be accounted for because it is easier for one to come out of the closet now, but there is no way there were that many in the closet before. Same with things such as depression, suicide etc… Something is very wrong with our culture and it is leading to these things.

If it were genetic, someone with SSA theoretically shouldn’t be able to overcome that attraction and become heterosexual. Yet some psychologists have claimed that this happens on a regular basis. I’m thinking of Fr. Harvey, and the guy in California whose name I forget right now. I realize that the APA and others claim this can’t be done, but after being in medical school for a while now, I am not inclined to believe the APA at all, they are very political driven. In fact, I find it hard to believe any association these days, much of their research is tainted with their ideology and it is hard to separate that from whatever good research they may have done.

Proof negative for SSA being genetic, I have heard of some research where they looked at Identical twins. (Same DNA). I think it was something like in cases where one of the twins had SSA, only 38% of the time the other twin also had SSA. That is a high percentage, but if it were truly genetic it would have to be around 100%. The high percentage to me suggests that it is environmental, since most identical twins will be brought up in the same environment. So you would expect the percentage to be fairly high. I do not have a source for this though, so interpret it as you will.

There are many arguments for SSA being environmental, and contrary to what APA states there is research indicating a large environmental influence. I have never seen or heard of research indicating a genetic component, and the only reason I have heard promoting genetic influence is that “people don’t choose to be Gay”.
 
So what would be the benefit of homosexuality if you are comparing it to sickle cell anemia. Its quite clear no one has proven conclusively one way or the other, but genetic seems highly unlikely to me. There are the standard arguments…how would this trait be passed on, natural selection would almost certainly select against it and so forth.

What gets me is the prevalence of it in modern times. SSA and Homosexuality have skyrocketed in the past 40 years. I’m sure some of this can be accounted for because it is easier for one to come out of the closet now, but there is no way there were that many in the closet before. Same with things such as depression, suicide etc… Something is very wrong with our culture and it is leading to these things.

If it were genetic, someone with SSA theoretically shouldn’t be able to overcome that attraction and become heterosexual. Yet some psychologists have claimed that this happens on a regular basis. I’m thinking of Fr. Harvey, and the guy in California whose name I forget right now. I realize that the APA and others claim this can’t be done, but after being in medical school for a while now, I am not inclined to believe the APA at all, they are very political driven. In fact, I find it hard to believe any association these days, much of their research is tainted with their ideology and it is hard to separate that from whatever good research they may have done.

Proof negative for SSA being genetic, I have heard of some research where they looked at Identical twins. (Same DNA). I think it was something like in cases where one of the twins had SSA, only 38% of the time the other twin also had SSA. That is a high percentage, but if it were truly genetic it would have to be around 100%. The high percentage to me suggests that it is environmental, since most identical twins will be brought up in the same environment. So you would expect the percentage to be fairly high. I do not have a source for this though, so interpret it as you will.

There are many arguments for SSA being environmental, and contrary to what APA states there is research indicating a large environmental influence. I have never seen or heard of research indicating a genetic component, and the only reason I have heard promoting genetic influence is that “people don’t choose to be Gay”.
Well, if it were genetic and being selected for, it could be that a certain number of homosexual people in the population is advantageous.

Perhaps that genetic material was somehow associated with other genetic material that was advantageous. So, to be a bit silly, say homosexuals make great hairdressers because the “gay” gene and the “hair” gene are associated, and populations with great hair dressers are more successful.

Also, in some cases there is advantage in simple genetic diversity. Genetics at the level of populations is not always simple - it isn’t a topic I know a lot about, but what reading I have done suggests that it isn’t as obvious as “the survival of the fittest”. Sometimes seemingly useless genetic material hangs around and no one really knows why.

Or another possibility is it may be that it isn’t genetic but it is biological. So, say male homosexuals in some cases are people who were not exposed to the normal amount of testosterone in the womb. That isn’t genetic but it is physical in origin. It would be a matter of something going a bit wrong. But from the POV of the person, it would be part of who they are.

In any case, there is very good physical evidence that there are physical/biological links to homosexuality. In experiments dissecting the brains of male self-identified homosexuals, there were clear structural differences from other male brains - in fact, they were more like female brains. That being said, i think everyone realizes that human sexuality is also shaped by our personal experiences and our culture.

I’m not sure it is fair to say there is more homosexuality. It is really a pretty small part of the population, though it grows a bit if you add in bi-sexuals, and people with gender identification issues of various kinds. And there have been other cultures where homosexual behavior was extremely common. It it is totally accepted or even encouraged, many people will occasionally have homosexual contact.

Claims that homosexuals can be “cured” are a bit questionable I think. It may be that those who find sucess are a particular group of homosexuals. But there are high rates of relapse for this kind of therapy. If that were the only issue I suppose it might be worthwhile, but it has also been associated with negative effects.
 
"Well, if it were genetic and being selected for, it could be that a certain number of homosexual people in the population is advantageous."

This Basically means nothing, we have no proof of that, or even a hypothesis of why this would be so.

**Also, in some cases there is advantage in simple genetic diversity. Genetics at the level of populations is not always simple - it isn’t a topic I know a lot about, but what reading I have done suggests that it isn’t as obvious as “the survival of the fittest”. Sometimes seemingly useless genetic material hangs around and no one really knows why.
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Genetic Diversity is good, but it is mostly achieved through reproduction. Mutations causing diversity are considered deleterious most of the time, although occasionally they can be good and can add to diversity. Within the past couple of years, the idea that we have useless genetic material (Junk DNA) hanging around has been largely done away with. Much of what we though was junk DNA is actually microRNA’s which are involved in the transciption, translation, and degradation of mRNA’s.

**Or another possibility is it may be that it isn’t genetic but it is biological. So, say male homosexuals in some cases are people who were not exposed to the normal amount of testosterone in the womb. That isn’t genetic but it is physical in origin. It would be a matter of something going a bit wrong. But from the POV of the person, it would be part of who they are.

In any case, there is very good physical evidence that there are physical/biological links to homosexuality. In experiments dissecting the brains of male self-identified homosexuals, there were clear structural differences from other male brains - in fact, they were more like female brains. That being said, i think everyone realizes that human sexuality is also shaped by our personal experiences and our culture.**

I don’t think that anyone will argue with you that there are Biological/Physical aspects to SSA, that aren’t necessarily genetic. But what does this prove? Many times Biological effects come from our environment. So saying that something is Biological, but not genetic doesn’t really add much to the conversation. Someone may be addicted to Narcotics, they may not have had a genetic predisposition to be so, but the biological effect is that their GPCR’s have upregulated to match the Opiods coming in, and now they are addicted, there has been a Biological change, had nothing to do with genetics, we see this all the time.

Claims that homosexuals can be “cured” are a bit questionable I think. It may be that those who find sucess are a particular group of homosexuals. But there are high rates of relapse for this kind of therapy. If that were the only issue I suppose it might be worthwhile, but it has also been associated with negative effects.
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There are high rates of relapse for just about any disorder. Alcoholics, Drug Addicts, Anger Management. Some of these people have a genetic pre-dispostion that makes it harder for them, but some dont. Does that mean its not worthwhile. Although I don’t know if this has really been studied enough to make any sort of definate conclusion, what I really find questionable is organizations like the APA, not even looking at it as as option. The Psychologist who originally got SSA taken out as a Sexual Disorder, changed his mind years later and wanted it added back, but by then it was too late and the APA would no longer listen to him.
 
Well, if it were genetic and being selected for, it could be that a certain number of homosexual people in the population is advantageous.
This doesn’t really make sense. Are you saying that homosexuals are more fecund than heterosexuals? Because that is what your statement seems to mean taken literally.

Assuming it isn’t, if there is a selection AGAINST a possible homosexual gene it would not matter whether or not they are useful in society, what matters is their rate of fecundity.
Perhaps that genetic material was somehow associated with other genetic material that was advantageous. So, to be a bit silly, say homosexuals make great hairdressers because the “gay” gene and the “hair” gene are associated, and populations with great hair dressers are more successful.
Again you are confusing two separate concepts. Successful does not mean loved in society, made a great deal of money, retired at 55, it means had many children.
Also, in some cases there is advantage in simple genetic diversity. Genetics at the level of populations is not always simple - it isn’t a topic I know a lot about, but what reading I have done suggests that it isn’t as obvious as “the survival of the fittest”. Sometimes seemingly useless genetic material hangs around and no one really knows why.
It is very much ‘survival of the fittest’. The reason useless or even detrimental genes stick around in populations is because they are recessive. Well useless ones would stick around for no reason as they make no difference, let’s stick with detrimental genes. A detrimental dominant gene would quickly disappear but a recessive one would never leave.
Or another possibility is it may be that it isn’t genetic but it is biological. So, say male homosexuals in some cases are people who were not exposed to the normal amount of testosterone in the womb. That isn’t genetic but it is physical in origin. It would be a matter of something going a bit wrong. But from the POV of the person, it would be part of who they are.
Are you referring here to the workings in the woman? If so, it is the same as a gay gene. If you are referring to something cultural like the effects of birth control in utero that’s different.
In any case, there is very good physical evidence that there are physical/biological links to homosexuality. In experiments dissecting the brains of male self-identified homosexuals, there were clear structural differences from other male brains - in fact, they were more like female brains. That being said, i think everyone realizes that human sexuality is also shaped by our personal experiences and our culture.
I see no reason why a brain functioning differently in a person whose brain obviously functions differently really means anything. If you abuse a child enough they can become schizophrenic(or develop other disorders) and their brain will function differently.
I’m not sure it is fair to say there is more homosexuality. It is really a pretty small part of the population, though it grows a bit if you add in bi-sexuals, and people with gender identification issues of various kinds. And there have been other cultures where homosexual behavior was extremely common. It it is totally accepted or even encouraged, many people will occasionally have homosexual contact.
As there is selection against homosexuality the prevalence at which it is observed in society(1-2%) tends very strongly to the conclusion that very little, if any, homosexuality could be due to a genetic origin.
Claims that homosexuals can be “cured” are a bit questionable I think. It may be that those who find success are a particular group of homosexuals. But there are high rates of relapse for this kind of therapy. If that were the only issue I suppose it might be worthwhile, but it has also been associated with negative effects.
It isn’t questionable at all. It works for many, and we should be happy for them. Don’t quote me on it but I think the success rate was slightly less than half for one of these outfits that helps rehabilitate people with SSA.
 
I would expect that homosexuality is an addiction, like many other sexual or habitual addictions - pornography, etc.
There is zero proof that it is a physcial illness, or any other type of illness. Anything else is mere speculation.

Like all addictions, it can be over-come, but requires a resolve on the part of the individual. And an effort not to relapse. So getting back to the OP Title, - homosexuality is emotional, not genetic. Any other conclusion is speculation.

By the homosexual lifestyle constantly in the face of the affected individual such as gay parades, TV programs about gay lovers, porn, potential legalization of gay marriage, gay bars, being OPENLY gay in the military, etc - Society makes life that much more difficult for the individual to break away from this lifestyle. Society keeps reinforcing and telling the individual that homosexual acts are OK.

“Homosexual Acts” are a mortal sin, against the Natural and Moral laws.

We are charged by Jesus to love our neighbor which means that we want them to get to Heaven.
In the first Letter of Paul to the Corinthians 6:9-10 "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals … will inherit the kingdom of God."

By promoting homosexual acts in any way - such as supporting gay marriage, supporting gay parades, or anything which would be construed to be supportive of the gay lifestyle, people violate the love of neighbor demanded by Jesus. We must do what we can to help all our Neighbors get to Heaven.
 
This doesn’t really make sense. Are you saying that homosexuals are more fecund than heterosexuals? Because that is what your statement seems to mean taken literally.

Assuming it isn’t, if there is a selection AGAINST a possible homosexual gene it would not matter whether or not they are useful in society, what matters is their rate of fecundity.

Again you are confusing two separate concepts. Successful does not mean loved in society, made a great deal of money, retired at 55, it means had many children.

It is very much ‘survival of the fittest’. The reason useless or even detrimental genes stick around in populations is because they are recessive. Well useless ones would stick around for no reason as they make no difference, let’s stick with detrimental genes. A detrimental dominant gene would quickly disappear but a recessive one would never leave.

Are you referring here to the workings in the woman? If so, it is the same as a gay gene. If you are referring to something cultural like the effects of birth control in utero that’s different.

I see no reason why a brain functioning differently in a person whose brain obviously functions differently really means anything. If you abuse a child enough they can become schizophrenic(or develop other disorders) and their brain will function differently.

As there is selection against homosexuality the prevalence at which it is observed in society(1-2%) tends very strongly to the conclusion that very little, if any, homosexuality could be due to a genetic origin.

It isn’t questionable at all. It works for many, and we should be happy for them. Don’t quote me on it but I think the success rate was slightly less than half for one of these outfits that helps rehabilitate people with SSA.
I’m afraid that you don’t understand much about genetics in populations. Fecundity of individuals is not the only way genetics is selected for in populations. And other biological origins such as hormone exposure in the womb is not the same as a “gay gene”. You need to learn more about genetics if you want to discuss this. “Successful” does not mean monetary success, it means populations or individuals that do well.

I didn’t say the brains functioned differently, I said they are structurally different. There is no evidence that this is the result of abuse.

As I said, the success rates for “reforming” homosexuals are disputed. I wouldn’t take the website of someone trying to sell such therapy at face value.
 
Even if it could somehow be proven that homosexuality has a genetic basis, that doesn’t forgive the person who acts upon their impulses. There may be a genetic basis for anger, but that wouldn’t mean a person with anger management issues can then lash out in anger with impunity.

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Excellent observation.

It simply doesn’t matter if Homosexuality is genetic or not. Homosexual orientation is not sinful. Homosexual activity is.

That’s pretty much all their is to it. 🤷
 
I’m afraid that you don’t understand much about genetics in populations.
If you have greater knowledge and training in genetics and population dynamics then you should demonstrate that knowledge instead of simply telling me what I don’t know.
Fecundity of individuals is not the only way genetics is selected for in populations.
No, but it sure helps. If you discount a particular phenotype from having increased survivability(which can be done for homosexuality) then fecundity is what you are left with. At least in mammals. In fact, homosexuality negatively impacts survivability and their average lifespan is at least 20 years shorter than heterosexuals.
And other biological origins such as hormone exposure in the womb is not the same as a “gay gene”.
After acknowledging the role of genetics in controlling the processes of the human body, explain to me how exactly a genetic origin for homosexuality is not relevant to a discussion about whether or not there is a genetic origin for homosexuality.
You need to learn more about genetics if you want to discuss this.
That may be true.
“Successful” does not mean monetary success, it means populations or individuals that do well.
I’m not going to fill in this blank for you. Please explain what you mean by “do well”.
I didn’t say the brains functioned differently, I said they are structurally different. There is no evidence that this is the result of abuse.
In highly controversial political topics in which scientists endeavor in our modern society there are a great many “scientific” works which do little more than push a political agenda with the cover of “science”. You’ll need to reference a specific study because many of these are far from conclusive. Such as the one studying the anterior commissure which has a previous competing study done with improved controls(all the homosexuals died of AIDS), larger sample size, and without the stigma of politicization(by examining merely the differences between men and women and not including homosexuals at all) which showed the opposite of their findings. Of course the media ignores this older, larger, better study which casts the newer study into great doubt.
As I said, the success rates for “reforming” homosexuals are disputed. I wouldn’t take the website of someone trying to sell such therapy at face value.
I never said otherwise. However, are you claiming that there have been no reformed homosexuals, that none of these programs work at all? I stated that the majority of those who go into such a clinic, as far as I know, are not reformed. I think that overall they had a success rate of 30-45%.
 
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