Homosexuality in geneology?

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pathia said:
Like I said, it feels like an epic poem, or story. The main characters in those stories had trials and tribulations as well. None of them would be as popular or influential if they simply had an invincible hero.

I have been assaulted three times in my life for being not-straight, one of them was an attempted rape. The cops laughed and jeered at me rather than actually charging the perpetrators. Neither of the two men (One was responsible for two attacks) was ever charged with harming me. The man who tried to rape me actually said it was the will of God, and that it would make me straight.

He was clearly delusional, but I have never, ever, been insulted by a non-christian. I have been fired for being not-straight, and I have had co-workers shun me. Literally they would not talk to me, because they said ‘demons would spawn from my mouth and infect them’. I was let go from that job as well, because I was one person, while they were half a dozen and the incident was disturbing workflow, despite it not being my fault at all.

Nearly every single taunt, slap, assault, firing, teasing, bullying in my life has been because I come across as not-straight, and every single one of those people that did it, justified their behavior with the Bible.
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Actually, those people are not Christians, if they are do those things and call themselves Christians, they are a lie. That is not Christ-like behavior in any way, shape, or form, nor does the Bible justify it.

It’s been a while since I read Job, but your experiences sort of reminds of this. He suffered many afflictions and lost nearly everything.

Christ was also taunted, slapped, assaulted, and teased. You two have a lot in common. Christ says, for my yoke is sweet and my burden is light.

If the real life stories do not move you, if words do not inspire you, maybe there are other things that do. You inspire me. One thing is for certain, I will teach my children to love.
I have a girl expected around Thanksgiving and we will name her Rachel. I thought that was kind of an interesting coincidence.
 
Proverbs 28:23 “He who rebukes a man will find more favor afterward
Thank he who flatters with the tongue.”

Proverbs 28:13 "He who covers his sins will not prosper, But whoever forsakes them will have mercy.

And Proverbs 28:9 says, “One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.”

Seems to me that maybe if a person stops doing what is questionable in regards to morality and confesses his sin, then God will answer his/her prayer. And all correction from others must be done in a loving and gentle manner, for as long as people are repentant of their sins
we are all important to God. He lovingly waits for us to come home to Him.
 
peduzzi89 said:
Jean,

I am a roman catholic, and I know the bible quite well. Did you read my most recent long passage? Because it explains quite a lot including what you commented on in my previous one. Is there anything specific in there you would like to refute?

And I am like everyone else, like you, and siroscar - a sinner.

I think you are missing the forest for the trees.
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peduzzi,
what did you say you were?
You have the choice to live your life as you choose. You are now aware of what the Lord has said about the sin of homosexuality. As sinners we all make choices.
we are called to repent. Jesus said, “go and sin no more.”
I have quoted scripture, your argument isn’t with me, it’s with the Lord…

God bless,
jean8
 
Blessed are the clean of heart: for they shall see God. (Matthew 5:8)
 
Matthew
Chapter 7:4

How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
 
onetimeposter said:
Matthew
Chapter 7:4

How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye?
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There is nothing wrong with pointing out sin. That’s not being judgemental in and of itself.
 
Matthew 7:22-23

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’
 
SilentKnight said:
The Scriptures that condemn homosexuality are by no means ambiguous. Romans 1:26-27, for example:

“Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.”
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Sorry, Silent Knight, but I can’t agree with you about this not being ambiguous. First of all, who is the “them”? It would appear from verse 18 that they are the “men and women who in their wickedness suppress the truth” (REB translation) but who that refers to depends on who you consider is suppressing the truth. Second, Paul had a habit of grouping his comments under “what I’ve received from the Lord” and “what I think” but it’s not even clear in Rom 1:26,27 which category he’s working in. So really this quite ambiguous.

Steven
 
It is interesting to note that scripture becomes “ambiguous” when it clearly states that something is either right or wrong.
Even if the Church (God forbid) validates homosexuality. God does not validate it. Homosexuals will never be happy because they will never get the validation that they want
 
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Yeah but what if it’s wrong?

Not possible.
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Yes, it would.

So when the Roman Catholic Church told Galileo that the world was the centre of the universe and was flat the church wasn’t wrong?

No church can ever claim that it hasn’t been wrong on a number of issues. It is, after all, made up of humans.

As we’ve gained more knowledge about a variety of subjects the church has modified its stance, recognising that better information and acknowledging the scriptural desciptions as being the best ones for that time and level of understanding. Some church authorities are still in the denial phase at the beginning of The Enlightenment.

Steven
 
Steven,

I thought SilentKnight’s earlier post was an excellent answer to this question and may help you understand the Catholic perspective, so I will repost part of it for you here:
SilentKnight said:
You ask how we know this, that this is the correct intepretation. The answer already given is that the Church says so. You’ve countered with suggestions that “the Church” has said in the past that things such as slavery are ok. You didn’t mention this one, but I might add, in keeping with your argument that “the Church” at one time believed the earth to be flat.

The problem with this argument is that these things were common societal beliefs, not doctrines put forth by the pope or bishops. There is an essential difference. Thefore, it is incorrect to say that “the Church” has been wrong before in its interpretation of Scripture. In essentials of the Christian faith, the pope and bishops cannot err. It’s not possible per the safeguard Jesus himself has put in place.
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My apinion is that it dos’nt realy mater if they are homosexual or not.PLEASE CEEP REEDING I’M GOING SOMEWERE WITH THIS. A preist by the name of Father John Corapi has said many times:"That as a priest, he is alot like homosexuals, he’s called to chastity, and so are they.
 
"SilentKnight:
The Scriptures that condemn homosexuality are by no means ambiguous. Romans 1:26-27, for example:

“Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.”
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comfort1st said:
Sorry, Silent Knight, but I can’t agree with you about this not being ambiguous. First of all, who is the “them”? It would appear from verse 18 that they are the “men and women who in their wickedness suppress the truth” (REB translation) but who that refers to depends on who you consider is suppressing the truth.
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Comfort, don’t miss the proverbial forest for the trees. It doesn’t matter who the “them” are because of what follows. What follows is an explanation that God handed “them” over to their “degrading passions”. “Degrading passions”. What does that mean? Well, what follows is an objective assertion that females engaging in sex with other females and males engaging in sex with other males is “unnatural” (a.k.a. sinful). “Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another.” So, when Romans says, “God handed them over to their degrading passions”, who “them” is doesn’t really matter. What matters is what the Bible qualifies as a “degrading passion”. What that is, in this case, is clear by what follows in the verse. And it’s even more clear when one does not read this verse in a vacuum but in the light of nearly two millenia of Jewish history that stated even less equivocally, “Homosexual acts are an abomination”. (See Leviticus 18 and 20.)
Second, Paul had a habit of grouping his comments under “what I’ve received from the Lord” and “what I think”…
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No, he didn’t. Prove me wrong.

😉

I can think of one…maybe two references in all the NT where Paul says, “What I am saying to you - and this is me, not the Lord - is…”

SK
 
anoynted1 said:
It is interesting to note that scripture becomes “ambiguous” when it clearly states that something is either right or wrong.
Even if the Church (God forbid) validates homosexuality. God does not validate it. Homosexuals will never be happy because they will never get the validation that they want
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The Church cannot and won’t validate homosexuality. It is an immutable part of moral law.

SK
 
comfort1st said:
So when the Roman Catholic Church told Galileo that the world was the centre of the universe and was flat the church wasn’t wrong?

No church can ever claim that it hasn’t been wrong on a number of issues. It is, after all, made up of humans.

As we’ve gained more knowledge about a variety of subjects the church has modified its stance, recognising that better information and acknowledging the scriptural desciptions as being the best ones for that time and level of understanding. Some church authorities are still in the denial phase at the beginning of The Enlightenment.

Steven
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As a brief supplement to SCALCO’s post, I need to point out that while, of course, the Church is made up entirely of humans who are fallible in themselves, Jesus also promised the Catholic Church the Holy Spirit would lead it into all truth (not some truth and some error or mostly truth, but a little error). The Church disclaims responsibility for the inventions and assertions of Christians who break from her communion.

As mentioned previously, there is a critical differene between popular opinion and Church doctrine, and especially her dogma. The idea that the earth was the center of the universe was never either one: dogma or non-dogmatic doctrine. It was popular belief. Thus, it cannot be said that “the Church” was wrong in the sense of teaching false truths because it never “taught” any such thing.

SK
 
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