Homosexuality is a blessing

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Bare with me…

I am NOT talking about homosexual acts… those are sinful and the bible is pretty clear on it…

But lets say for a moment that people really are ‘Born Gay’ .

Why would God make someone with a truly sinful nature. My thoughts? Because being gay has been misconstrued…

What if being born Gay was never meant to be a sexual thing, but merely god blessing a few no desire for the opposite sex. Scripture says that if you can avoid temptation, you can focus your life a truly religious life… If you don’t desire sex, you can more aptly follow Scripture as Corinthians mentions… (forgive me for not knowing the exact passage, but it deals with blessed is the one who can forgo temptation of the flesh as he can focus on god, but if you must lust after a women, you should marry her as this is the right thing to do…)

So… suppose ‘being gay’ is god telling certain people ‘I have made you for religious life, i have even removed your desire for the opposite sex’ But we as silly little humans misconstrued it and think it means we are therefore suppose to be attracted to the SAME sex…

So… if (as some say) there is about 2-3% population that is ‘born gay’ then imagine if it was properly understood as not a sexual thing, but as a religious calling…

That would mean 2-3% of the population are ministers of the faith…

what a wonderful world that would be

I reiterate… i am not saying all priests are ‘gay’ I am saying we have misunderstood gods gift of removing temptation so that some CAN be truly religious

thoughts?

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In Christ
 
It’s a blessing insofar as you know that you’re called to celibacy, but I think you misunderstand what homosexuality is. The homosexual desires people of the same sex just as much heterosexuals desire people of the opposite sex. The impulse is still there, it’s just frustrated.

A person who was asexual would not have temptation. That’s the sort of person you’re talking about. Though even then, though they miss out on the temptation, they also lose their chance for that great happiness, love, and grace that can come from marriage, a sort of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
 
BlaineTog said:
It’s a blessing insofar as you know that you’re called to celibacy, but I think you misunderstand what homosexuality is. The homosexual desires people of the same sex just as much heterosexuals desire people of the opposite sex. The impulse is still there, it’s just frustrated.

A person who was asexual would not have temptation. That’s the sort of person you’re talking about. Though even then, though they miss out on the temptation, they also lose their chance for that great happiness, love, and grace that can come from marriage, a sort of throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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Agreed. Methinks that an homosexual inclination is a cross to bear, if one tries to follow Church teaching. Not exactly a blessing.
 
Newbie2 said:
Agreed. Methinks that an homosexual inclination is a cross to bear, if one tries to follow Church teaching. Not exactly a blessing.
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I agree. I would think that having a homosexual inclination would be a cross to bear.
 
heisenburg said:
Bare with me…

I am NOT talking about homosexual acts… those are sinful and the bible is pretty clear on it…

But lets say for a moment that people really are ‘Born Gay’ .

Why would God make someone with a truly sinful nature. My thoughts? Because being gay has been misconstrued…

What if being born Gay was never meant to be a sexual thing, but merely god blessing a few no desire for the opposite sex. Scripture says that if you can avoid temptation, you can focus your life a truly religious life… If you don’t desire sex, you can more aptly follow Scripture as Corinthians mentions… (forgive me for not knowing the exact passage, but it deals with blessed is the one who can forgo temptation of the flesh as he can focus on god, but if you must lust after a women, you should marry her as this is the right thing to do…)

So… suppose ‘being gay’ is god telling certain people ‘I have made you for religious life, i have even removed your desire for the opposite sex’ But we as silly little humans misconstrued it and think it means we are therefore suppose to be attracted to the SAME sex…

So… if (as some say) there is about 2-3% population that is ‘born gay’ then imagine if it was properly understood as not a sexual thing, but as a religious calling…

That would mean 2-3% of the population are ministers of the faith…

what a wonderful world that would be

I reiterate… i am not saying all priests are ‘gay’ I am saying we have misunderstood gods gift of removing temptation so that some CAN be truly religious

thoughts?

Comments?

In Christ
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This is so unlike you. The reason we call it “Same Sex Attraction” is that it is a sexual **attraction **to persons of the same sex.

I know people with SSA, who live perfectly exemplary lives but it is NOT because they “don’t desire sex.”

In fact, I have had conversations with two men (I haven’t discussed it with women) who have strongly expressed the opinion that their SSA is MUCH stronger than the attraction experienced by men who are attracted to women. Now, that is an unlikely and unverifiable allegation, but there you have it.

SSA does not translate in any way into not desiring sex.
 
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As mention (or more so implied) this is a thought experiment…

I understand people think that they are attracted to the opposite sex, but my questions is more a is it a misconstrued interpretation. Our animal nature says that we are reproductive creatures and that sex is a huge part…

However, if God removed the desire to the opposite sex, it is entirely possible that some of us let our Animal side sort of kick in and, in a similar way that a blind person has superb hearing, the Animal side of us says well, I have no attraction for the opposite sex, but sex is suppose to be a part of my life… therefore, I must be attracted to the same sex… If you think about it it isn’t too far of a step for most… How many Guys get man crushes but will NEVER EVER even think about taking that step… but if you remove the female attraction piece… it isn’t a huge step to go from man crush to actual attraction. Same can be said on the female side

In other words, Homosexuality is actually a misunderstanding on OUR part of what God intended. It is a removal of something, but some let their physical side take over and allow for lust of the same sex.Like the blind man with perfect hearing…

Those who are Assexual properly understand at a subconsciouses level that they aren’t attracted to either sex…

(As a note… this all started when a family friend recently decided he was gay… very frustrating as he was raised in a very religious family…)

In Christ
 
heisenburg said:
(As a note… this all started when a family friend recently decided he was gay… very frustrating as he was raised in a very religious family…)
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Just as a side note, I do not know of anyone who decides to be gay. I know that people decide to tell people that they are gay, and they decide to engage in gay sex, but no one I know, including myself, makes a decision one day to be gay. From what I know, I believe that some people are born with a predisposition to be attracted to the same sex and then environmental factors push them into that orientation as they grow up. Being very religious has nothing to do with the gender a person is attracted to.

And just to add to the original post, it is a blessing in as much as the homosexual person finds a cross to be a blessing, and is willing to carry that cross with our Lord.
 
Kevin…

With the deepest and most humble respect, I just don’t know that I can buy though that people are ‘born’ that way. If so, there should be some kind of biological reason. Something that is unique among those that are homosexual.

I’m not talking about it from a religious point of view, but from a scientific point of view. The only thing I have seen is that brain scans of a Gay man mathc that of a women… but you have to becareful with that… If you ‘think’ like a girl for a long period, your brain will adapt and show chemical similarities to a girl… It’s just the way biology works…

The ‘gay’ brain can be produced…

As mentioned, if God blessed someone with an asexual nature, it is very easy to take the step from man crush… to full crush, especially if you have no real desire for females…

again, I mean that in the most humble way… I just have never seen any scientific evidence for homosexual natures.

If there is evidence, I actually would like to see it…

and I really do mean that

In Christ
 
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church" homosexuality is an “objective disorder” (section 2358). It can no more be a blessing than a psychological disorder is. The one way it could be a blessing in a person’s life, I would think, would be through the person’s efforts, prayer and the grace of God to overcome its negative effects on the person’s personality, winning God great favor by this.
 
Holly3278 said:
I agree. I would think that having a homosexual inclination would be a cross to bear.
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And because of the pain in their lives, those of us who know them personally are given a grace whereby we are called to uphold them in times of spritiual attack on their beliefs, as well as the grace that allows us to be stronger for ourselves…

Sancta Maria, ora pro nobis…
 
heisenburg said:
Kevin…

With the deepest and most humble respect, I just don’t know that I can buy though that people are ‘born’ that way. If so, there should be some kind of biological reason. Something that is unique among those that are homosexual.

I’m not talking about it from a religious point of view, but from a scientific point of view. The only thing I have seen is that brain scans of a Gay man mathc that of a women… but you have to becareful with that… If you ‘think’ like a girl for a long period, your brain will adapt and show chemical similarities to a girl… It’s just the way biology works…

The ‘gay’ brain can be produced…

As mentioned, if God blessed someone with an asexual nature, it is very easy to take the step from man crush… to full crush, especially if you have no real desire for females…

again, I mean that in the most humble way… I just have never seen any scientific evidence for homosexual natures.

If there is evidence, I actually would like to see it…

and I really do mean that

In Christ
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I appreciate your sincerity, and please don’t worry about offending me or anything. I am aware that there is no concrete evidence for being born this way. I admit that I am certainly not an expert in psychology, but from what little I do know, it seems alot of psychological abnormalities are from a combination of biological and environmental factors. Of course it is difficult to say if the environment effects the biology as you might say, or if the biology is already prepositioning us and the effect is cemented by the environment. I really don’t claim to know how it works though, but that was just my non-authoritative opinion. 😛 I really do doubt though that many people make the conscious decision to be gay (although there are always exceptions to everything). Peace, and God bless!
 
heisenburg said:
With the deepest and most humble respect, I just don’t know that I can buy though that people are ‘born’ that way. If so, there should be some kind of biological reason. Something that is unique among those that are homosexual.
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Heisenburg, just think of it this way: when you hit adolescence, did you weigh your options and come out saying ‘hm, I think heterosexuality is the right fit for me’ or was it more of ‘oooooh, girls/boys don’t have cooties after all!’ (come on, be honest here 😉 )? If homosexuality is a choice, then by the same token heterosexuality is just as much a freely chosen orientation. I don’t know of a single person who chose to ‘become’ heterosexual.

What the reasons are doesn’t really matter, I think. Biological, psychological, whatever – one’s preference in sexual partners isn’t something consciously decided. The nature vs. nurture argument rages on (although I’d say the David Reimer case might offer some insight there), but the most important part for anyone considering any moral implications is that it isn’t a freely made choice. It’s unique, yes, but where specifically it is… not such a big deal, you know? 🙂

And while I suppose from a Catholic point of view it might make the religious life an admirable vocation for those Catholics the Church won’t marry by virtue of their preferred choice of partner, they’re human too, and just like heterosexuals aren’t railroaded into marriage, homosexuals aren’t ‘expected’ or ‘meant’ to be clerics. Approaching the idea of ‘well, you can’t be this, how about door #2?’ like that is just as likely to lead to buggery in the nunnery as it is to a flood of honorable, chaste, holy religious. Maybe more, given the rather miserable track record of humanity in general, whatever their sexual orientation.

Basically what I’m saying is nice idea, wrong approach. Everybody’s got the ability to choose, let us use it.
 
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