Homosexuality is learned.

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I have heard it said,that homosexuality comes from the son not having a good relationship with his father,and also he is looking for the male relation he did noy get from his father in other men , and also the Mother being to dominant in her son life.:::
 
Dove_1 said:
I have heard it said,that homosexuality comes from the son not having a good relationship with his father,and also he is looking for the male relation he did noy get from his father in other men , and also the Mother being to dominant in her son life.:::
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Do you know of any psychological studies about it? I didn’t have a good relationship with my father. He was an alcoholic and he left my mother when I was a kid.
 
buffalo said:
Nah… Impossible say the experts. :banghead:
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More that appearances conspire to deceive - i.e. a person who is capable of sexual attraction to both genders is ‘trained’ / ‘conditioned’ into acting only in a heterosexual way either through force of will, religious conviction or through the assistance of cognitive behavioural therapeutic techniques.

Those who market ‘reparative therapy’ may do some good with those people - after all, if one is capable of heterosexual behaviour, then why not choose to do so? It is a more wholesome and easier life after all, regardless of the religious teachings about sexuality, simply because of the joys a family can bring. But I make the proposition that the therapy offered isn’t particularly ‘reparative’… more that it’s enabling that which is already possible in that person. For many people reparative therapies fail and therefore it must be said that for those people it isn’t possible for them to change their orientation. These people need then to find help in finding joy in chastity and other ways of living a fulfilled life.
 
Dove_1 said:
I have heard it said,that homosexuality comes from the son not having a good relationship with his father,and also he is looking for the male relation he did noy get from his father in other men , and also the Mother being to dominant in her son life.:::
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You may have heard it said, but many homosexuals will report having excellent relationships with their fathers - and, indeed, the same relationships as their siblings who didn’t turn out homosexual. So that theory, while it may have some truth in it isn’t and can’t be valid in all cases.
 
DexUK said:
More that appearances conspire to deceive - i.e. a person who is capable of sexual attraction to both genders is ‘trained’ / ‘conditioned’ into acting only in a heterosexual way either through force of will, religious conviction or through the assistance of cognitive behavioural therapeutic techniques.

Those who market ‘reparative therapy’ may do some good with those people - after all, if one is capable of heterosexual behaviour, then why not choose to do so? It is a more wholesome and easier life after all, regardless of the religious teachings about sexuality, simply because of the joys a family can bring. But I make the proposition that the therapy offers isn’t particularly ‘reparative’… more that it’s enabling that which is already possible in that person. For many people reparative therapies fail and therefore it must be said that for those people it isn’t possible for them to change their orientation. These people need then to find help in finding joy in chastity and other ways of living a fulfilled life.
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We also have to consider the effect of the estrogens we are putting into our boys.
 
If one was aroused by shocking sexual acts then a person who finds one gender attractive may dabble with same-sex acts. Sexual arousal is a biochemical process. If I were to blind fold a person and have someone sexually stimulate them they are likely to respond. The sex of the person stimulating them does not matter.

If all a person wanted and craved was sex (i.e. hypersexualization) it wouldn’t be difficult for one to overcome the “displeasure” of same sex acts. Much of that “displeasure” and feeling like you want to vomit comes from society! Society accepts same-sex between women so the “yuck factor” is greatly diminished. That is why twice as many women as men go after same-sex partners.
 
DexUK said:
You may have heard it said, but many homosexuals will report having excellent relationships with their fathers - and, indeed, the same relationships as their siblings who didn’t turn out homosexual. So that theory, while it may have some truth in it isn’t and can’t be valid in all cases.
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The highest % of homosexuality right now in the US is in the black community, a community plagued with fatherless homes.

Nothing is valid in “all” cases. There is always an exception.
 
Dove_1 said:
I have heard it said,that homosexuality comes from the son not having a good relationship with his father,and also he is looking for the male relation he did noy get from his father in other men , and also the Mother being to dominant in her son life.:::
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Are you kidding me? Really?

Not true at all. Same thing was said about children with Asperger’s Syndrome, ADHD, learning disabilities, …all have been proven “untrue”.
 
silentfactor80 said:
If one was aroused by shocking sexual acts then a person who finds one gender attractive may dabble with same-sex acts. Sexual arousal is a biochemical process. If I were to blind fold a person and have someone sexually stimulate them they are likely to respond. The sex of the person stimulating them does not matter.

If all a person wanted and craved was sex (i.e. hypersexualization) it wouldn’t be difficult for one to overcome the “displeasure” of same sex acts. Much of that “displeasure” and feeling like you want to vomit comes from society! Society accepts same-sex between women so the “yuck factor” is greatly diminished. That is why twice as many women as men go after same-sex partners.
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Without going into too much detail, what would that blindfolded person be thinking or fantasising about while that activity was taking place?

I would suggest that a heterosexual blindfolded person would either fight it off altogether or, if they were a willing participant but unaware of the gender of the person doing the stimulating, they would find themselves thinking about that which they find attractive. But take that blindfold off and I suggest that the discovery of the gender doing the stimulating being not what they would choose for themselves would immediately take away the arousal. I know how I’d react!!
 
Robert_Sock said:
As a psychologist and someone deep in theology, I believe homosexuality is learned. I believe that Satan seduces certain children from and early age with temptations involving the same gender. As the child grows older, they intuitively feel as if they were born homosexuals, but the real culprit is Satan.

The same is true with heterosexuals who become hyper-sexualized from an early age with sexual promiscuity. It’s all the work of Satan and the desires lay deep within them…
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I agree !
 
Homosexuality is not learned, at least we don’t know exactly its genesis as stated earlier on this thread.

It is sexual promiscuity that is learned.
 
Robert_Sock said:
As a psychologist and someone deep in theology, I believe homosexuality is learned. I believe that Satan seduces certain children from and early age with temptations involving the same gender. As the child grows older, they intuitively feel as if they were born homosexuals, but the real culprit is Satan.

The same is true with heterosexuals who become hyper-sexualized from an early age with sexual promiscuity. It’s all the work of Satan and the desires lay deep within them…
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Robert, it sounds like you’re saying that most expressions of sexuality are sinful. They are not! Without sexuality, none of us would be born. Further, if homosexuals are tempted by Satan, how does this support your hypothesis that homosexuality is learned rather than a product of deception?
 
I have heard that scientists are making big breakthroughs in the understanding of genetics in the past decade. They are saying that someday we might be able to alter flawed genes entirely. If we find out that homosexuality is entirely genetic, do you guys think the Church will allow gene therapy on a fetus to correct it?
 
DexUK said:
Without going into too much detail, what would that blindfolded person be thinking or fantasising about while that activity was taking place?

I would suggest that a heterosexual blindfolded person would either fight it off altogether or, if they were a willing participant but unaware of the gender of the person doing the stimulating, they would find themselves thinking about that which they find attractive. But take that blindfold off and I suggest that the discovery of the gender doing the stimulating being not what they would choose for themselves would immediately take away the arousal. I know how I’d react!!
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What they are thinking about is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that certain stimulation will cause arousal. It is your choice whether the arousal continues but your body is going to respond a certain way to certain stimulation. As a straight guy I can sit here think about a woman and not get aroused. Even a woman whom I wasn’t attracted to could probably arouse me if I let her. The issue is not whether or not you can get aroused but will you allow the arousal to continue. IF however all you wanted was to get aroused it wouldn’t matter what the sex of the person is. For a hypersexual they aren’t going to be picky if they need their fix because like a junkie their reasoning centers are suppressed.

And they would only act that way you suggest because society has ingrained in them that they should. It is about protecting your image which you risk anytime you are sexual with someone.
 
CaptBell800 said:
I have heard that scientists are making big breakthroughs in the understanding of genetics in the past decade. They are saying that someday we might be able to alter flawed genes entirely. If we find out that homosexuality is entirely genetic, do you guys think the Church will allow gene therapy on a fetus to correct it?
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No. It isn’t a flawed gene. You would have to alter a perfectly good gene and that is doing God’s work for Him.
 
silentfactor80 said:
What they are thinking about is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that certain stimulation will cause arousal. It is your choice whether the arousal continues but your body is going to respond a certain way to certain stimulation. As a straight guy I can sit here think about a woman and not get aroused. Even a woman whom I wasn’t attracted to could probably arouse me if I let her. The issue is not whether or not you can get aroused but will you allow the arousal to continue. IF however all you wanted was to get aroused it wouldn’t matter what the sex of the person is. For a hypersexual they aren’t going to be picky if they need their fix because like a junkie their reasoning centers are suppressed.

And they would only act that way you suggest because society has ingrained in them that they should. It is about protecting your image which you risk anytime you are sexual with someone.
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So are you suggesting then that people who do homosexual things are, in fact, hypersexual and taking their fun wherever they can get it?

That doesn’t tally with the homosexual population that reports no sexual interest whatsoever in members of the opposite gender, and would go out of their way to avoid being physically interfered with in the way in which you suggest.
 
Robert_Sock said:
As a psychologist and someone deep in theology, I believe homosexuality is learned. I believe that Satan seduces certain children from and early age with temptations involving the same gender. As the child grows older, they intuitively feel as if they were born homosexuals, but the real culprit is Satan.

The same is true with heterosexuals who become hyper-sexualized from an early age with sexual promiscuity. It’s all the work of Satan and the desires lay deep within them…
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I don’t know about Satan but they did remove conveniently homosexuality from the DSM a long time ago. In speaking of the DSM what did the psychological community believe cause it? When it was listed as a disorder?
 
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