Homosexuality is learned.

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I used to believe people were born either straight or gay. Maybe some are. But after learning that in my 14 year old’s grade at his former school there are 6 girls who claim to be lesbians, and 3 girls claim to be bisexual–there is NO WAY that it isn’t learned and “the cool thing” happening right now. There are also 3 boys claim that they are gay, 5 that claim they are bisexual. This is at a small highschool (less than 400 students 9-12 grade), something is influencing this trend.
 
CaptBell800 said:
Has the Church condemned gene therapy?
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From the Catechism. and I wouldn’t call it condemnation, just a suggestion against.

2275 “One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.”

“It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.”

"Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity" which are unique and unrepeatable.
 
SonSearcher said:
From the Catechism.

2275 “One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.”

“It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.”

"Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity" which are unique and unrepeatable.
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Doesn’t that just say manipulated to choose their sex, though? It says also “predetermined qualities”, but does that mean all predetermined qualities or only specific ones? I don’t have many resources about it.
 
I’ve never been addicted to porn or masturbation. And have absolutely no interest in the opposite gender.

I have to admit, I’m not too thrilled at the idea that I was seduced by satan as a child. Frankly, if I read that 15 years ago when I was still struggling with what to do with my attraction, this would have really messed with my head. I don’t know what causes it, but I must agree with DexUK (I think) that this sort of speculation doesn’t really help anyone.
 
DexUK said:
Without going into too much detail, what would that blindfolded person be thinking or fantasising about while that activity was taking place?

I would suggest that a heterosexual blindfolded person would either fight it off altogether or, if they were a willing participant but unaware of the gender of the person doing the stimulating, they would find themselves thinking about that which they find attractive. But take that blindfold off and I suggest that the discovery of the gender doing the stimulating being not what they would choose for themselves would immediately take away the arousal. I know how I’d react!!
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CaptBell800 said:
Doesn’t that just say manipulated to choose their sex, though? It says also “predetermined qualities”, but does that mean all predetermined qualities or only specific ones? I don’t have many resources about it.
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No it says and other predetermined qualities as a catch all. This is your only needed resource at the moment. The Church says that if a gene is predetermined at fertilization we should keep our hands off. If a gene exists that predetermines homosexuality then we must not " for the dignity of the individual" manipulate it.

So the question is…does a gay “gene” exist?
 
SonSearcher said:
No it says and other predetermined qualities as a catch all. This is your only needed resource at the moment. The Church says that if a gene is predetermined at fertilization we should keep our hands off. If a gene exists that predetermines homosexuality then we must not " for the dignity of the individual" manipulate it.

So the question is…does a gay “gene” exist?
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I don’t know. I was just saying hypothetically that if one were discovered. But I don’t know for sure what causes it.
 
SonSearcher said:
No it says and other predetermined qualities as a catch all. This is your only needed resource at the moment. The Church says that if a gene is predetermined at fertilization we should keep our hands off. If a gene exists that predetermines homosexuality then we must not " for the dignity of the individual" manipulate it.

So the question is…does a gay “gene” exist?
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None has been found to date.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Yes, I believe that porn and masturbation can cause a person to become homosexual and sexually promiscuous. I had the same experiences that you describe.
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I have not had the same experiences but would like to comment.

I agree with the assessment. Certain ways of presenting material, certain very sophisticated ways of presenting, coming from Hollywood, are effective in creating fleeting moments. This can be expanded upon, I am sure, if one ventures into porno. It’s a matter of how the mind works, coupled with fleeting impressions that occur so swiftly the mind is powerless to interfere. I believe it is possible, especially when a person is young, to be misled by fleeting impressions. The agenda is already there: create gender confusion, increase the number of people who believe they might be homosexual. Sophisticated techniques are used in a conscious manner by the entertainment industry, and lots of money funds education destined for schools. It’s ‘all of a piece’ and it is directed at generally weakening society, to the end that it is more easily controlled by those who want to call the shots economically. We could have had a society of firm values; if the agenda had been to have one like that, nothing would have prevented it. Instead, we have gone from a relatively solid, stable perception of what is acceptable, to ‘chaos’. This is NOT happening by some sort of evolution… it is being guided.

In my view gender confusion is rampant, there is an agenda to weaken men generally which is coupled with destruction of the family, and a promotion of homosexualitty. Chemicals in the food and water, including lots of estrogen, are making women generally taller than they were a few decades ago, and men more effeminate, generally speaking.
 
DexUK said:
So are you suggesting then that people who do homosexual things are, in fact, hypersexual and taking their fun wherever they can get it?

That doesn’t tally with the homosexual population that reports no sexual interest whatsoever in members of the opposite gender, and would go out of their way to avoid being physically interfered with in the way in which you suggest.
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People may choose one gender or the other based on experience. If you find pleasure with X you will stick with X and think X is the right thing. If society further tells you the X is great then you are more so likely to go for X.

Most of the homosexuals HAVE had sex with the opposite sex and had a bad experience. They weren’t grossed out like you suggested you would but just didn’t like it for one reason or another. I think its an emotionally damaging experience that sets people off.
 
meltzerboy said:
Robert, it sounds like you’re saying that most expressions of sexuality are sinful. They are not! Without sexuality, none of us would be born. Further, if homosexuals are tempted by Satan, how does this support your hypothesis that homosexuality is learned rather than a product of deception?
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No, I’m really not talking about sexuality in general, but those forms of sexuality that have been said to be abnormal within the history of psychology (like homosexuality and sexual promiscuity). As I just stated elsewhere, psychiatry and psychology cater to social norms at any point in history. You can see this by studying the their histories. Furthermore, these disciplines seldom speak of brotherly LOVE. To get this sort of LOVE, one must turn to religion.

My position is that homosexuality is learned through deception, through the power of Satan. I believe Satan is familiar with shaping, and uses it to shape an individual’s sexual preferences.
 
If a “pill” was available to cure homosexual attractions would there be a demand? I say there would be.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Most of the homosexuals HAVE had sex with the opposite sex and had a bad experience. They weren’t grossed out like you suggested you would but just didn’t like it for one reason or another. I think its an emotionally damaging experience that sets people off.
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I would appreciate some references to back up that statement, because it certainly doesn’t equate with any of what I’ve been told by anyone who’s SSA. In fact, in my many years on this planet, to my knowledge, I’ve only met one SSA person who had indulged with the opposite gender at any time in their life. The rest all knew they didn’t want to and didn’t try.
 
Robert_Sock said:
In a behavioral perspective, going from a heterosexual to a homosexual would be a process called shaping. I’m sure Satan knowns all about it and uses it to shape sexual preferences at an early age.

Whoever has access to the pleasure centers of the brain involving sexual arousal can shape behavior with relative ease.
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You think Satan knows all about differential reinforcement and successive approximation, Robert? I doubt it, unless he was in my Experimental Psychology of Learning class.
 
Robert_Sock said:
No, I’m really not talking about sexuality in general, but those forms of sexuality that have been said to be abnormal within the history of psychology (like homosexuality and sexual promiscuity). As I just stated elsewhere, psychiatry and psychology cater to social norms at any point in history. You can see this by studying the their histories. Furthermore, these disciplines seldom speak of brotherly LOVE. To get this sort of LOVE, one must turn to religion.

My position is that homosexuality is learned through deception, through the power of Satan. I believe Satan is familiar with shaping, and uses it to shape an individual’s sexual preferences.
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Without God, His love and truth and goodness what would be left? Evil and darkness of course. Humans are born uncivilized and with concupiscence.
 
buffalo said:
If a “pill” was available to cure homosexual attractions would there be a demand? I say there would be.
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I’d agree. It is very clearly much easier to be a heterosexual person in this world for all sorts of reasons, not least of which is not having to put up with a load of opprobrium for the simple fact of having same-sex desires over which there is no effective control for most.
 
I have not had the same experiences as some who observe the effect of porno because I’ve never watched it but would like to comment.

I agree with the assessment. Certain ways of presenting material, certain very sophisticated ways of presenting, coming from Hollywood, are effective in creating fleeting moments. This can be expanded upon, I am sure, if one ventures into porno. It’s a matter of how the mind works, coupled with fleeting impressions that occur so swiftly the mind is powerless to interfere. I believe it is possible, especially when a person is young, to be misled by fleeting impressions. The agenda is already there: create gender confusion, increase the number of people who believe they might be homosexual. Sophisticated techniques are used in a conscious manner by the entertainment industry, and lots of money funds education destined for schools. It’s ‘all of a piece’ and it is directed at generally weakening society, to the end that it is more easily controlled by those who want to call the shots economically. We could have had a society of firm values; if the agenda had been to have one like that, nothing would have prevented it. Instead, we have gone from a relatively solid, stable perception of what is acceptable, to ‘chaos’. This is NOT happening by some sort of evolution… it is being guided.

In my view gender confusion is rampant, there is an agenda to weaken men generally which is coupled with destruction of the family, and a promotion of homosexualitty. Chemicals in the food and water, including lots of estrogen, are making women generally taller than they were a few decades ago, and men more effeminate, generally speaking.
 
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