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CaptBell800
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That’s true. I guess it’s more out of necessity than desire in their situation.
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andrewstx
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I am a celibate man with SSA. But I have not always been celibate, I had girlfriends who I had sinful fornication with.I would appreciate some references to back up that statement, because it certainly doesn’t equate with any of what I’ve been told by anyone who’s SSA. In fact, in my many years on this planet, to my knowledge, I’ve only met one SSA person who had indulged with the opposite gender at any time in their life. The rest all knew they didn’t want to and didn’t try.
Even though I had intercourse with these women it was emotionally uninvolved, I never kissed them.
So there is at least one exception, me as I turned out to have SSA.
IMHO all sexual behavour is learned both hetero and homosexual. In my case my parents never said a word about sex and I like many was incorrectly “taught” by my fellow students. I don’t think I would have known what or the how on my own. I don’t think anyone knows automatically.
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brb3
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Yes …its a diversion from God’s norms…As a psychologist and someone deep in theology, I believe homosexuality is learned. I believe that Satan seduces certain children from and early age with temptations involving the same gender. As the child grows older, they intuitively feel as if they were born homosexuals, but the real culprit is Satan.
The same is true with heterosexuals who become hyper-sexualized from an early age with sexual promiscuity. It’s all the work of Satan and the desires lay deep within them…
Satan & his angels took down Sodom & Gomorrah. God doesn’t create people as innately homosexual. If he did, he wouldn’t/couldn’t of destroyed them for being Sodomites …and Christ wouldn’t of taught that people who practice such sin won’t inherit the Kingdom.
meltzerboy
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Maybe not exactly necessity but strong physiological need.That’s true. I guess it’s more out of necessity than desire in their situation.
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Robert_Sock
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Psychologists are well aware that alcohol leads to disinhibition. Homosexual attractions were probably repressed in those individuals.People who are intoxicated can also suddenly take to homosexual behavior. One of the questions involved in homosexuality is how it is defined: only in terms of behavior or primarily in terms of desire?
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CopticChristian
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Meltz,Maybe not exactly necessity but strong physiological need.
So what you are saying is that the driving force for homosexuality is a strong Physiologic need…with or without prison walls that need exists…then what is that need you believe is the strong Physiologic need…Physiology does not operate independently and without purpose…
meltzerboy
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I’m referring to the strong physiologic need for sex. We all have it, whether straight, gay, or bisexual. If you want to attach to it cognitive, emotional, spiritual, or evolutionary processes, feel free; but the need itself is there, and, if not expressed, will most likely take other forms, constructive or destructive.Meltz,
So what you are saying is that the driving force for homosexuality is a strong Physiologic need…with or without prison walls that need exists…then what is that need you believe is the strong Physiologic need…Physiology does not operate independently and without purpose…
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CopticChristian
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Dex,And, in many cases, I believe that the asexual effect ‘wore off’ after time…
What this proves, as in treatment for addiction is that Classical Conditioning or avoidance of pain does not motivate…the opposite is true
Operant Conditioning does motiviate change and that has been shown to be true in addiction methodology that would include CRAFT approach to addiction…positive reinforcement works.
This could be used in the modalities to help change homosexuals…incorporating Operant Conditioning…as you may or may not know…probably don’t know…
We avoid pain
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Seek pleasure
and seeking pleasure or reward seems to be more of a driving force than avoiding pain…
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CopticChristian
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Meltz,I’m referring to the strong physiologic need for sex. We all have it, whether straight, gay, or bisexual. If you want to attach to it cognitive, emotional, spiritual, or evolutionary processes, feel free; but the need itself is there, and, if not expressed, will most likely take other forms, constructive or destructive.
But that need is not operating independently as Physiology like the Cardiovascular system…it is dependent on thinking and in fact thinking and physiology are coupled…
thinking and getting angry can cause the physiology to change
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acting angry can cause thinking to change…you can act angry to feel angry…
they do not operate independently…so the need is manifest in the mind not in the physiology…the physiology does not operate without some notion of thought or imagination and the need manifested is not unbridled or we would all be like those animals with bilateral lesions in our Amygdala, having relations with trash cans…
So there is more than just need…
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CaptBell800
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Maybe the prisoners kind of just close their eyes and try to think of something they’re attracted to.Meltz,
But that need is not operating independently as Physiology like the Cardiovascular system…it is dependent on thinking and in fact thinking and physiology are coupled…
thinking and getting angry can cause the physiology to change
and
acting angry can cause thinking to change…you can act angry to feel angry…
they do not operate independently…so the need is manifest in the mind not in the physiology…the physiology does not operate without some notion of thought or imagination and the need manifested is not unbridled or we would all be like those animals with bilateral lesions in our Amygdala, having relations with trash cans…
So there is more than just need…
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brb3
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Yes. …its learned behavior. Hollywood & TV flaunt it in half their storylines in last 20 yrs …and addicted many to this habitual sin. Now, they try to tell us it’s normal and to let children explore with SSA’s.I overcame porn, hyperits -sexuality and homosexual tendencies by becoming religious. Yes, I agree that homosexuality is mutable.
That’s Satan at work …thru his Hollywood / sex addict disciples…who also promote violence in their demonic workproduct, and are teaching the young in society to become homicidal semi-automatic attackmen/ murders.
meltzerboy
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I would be a lousy psychologist if I didn’t agree with you, CopticChristian. Still, my point is that the need itself, no matter what the influence, must somehow be satisfied.Meltz,
But that need is not operating independently as Physiology like the Cardiovascular system…it is dependent on thinking and in fact thinking and physiology are coupled…
thinking and getting angry can cause the physiology to change
and
acting angry can cause thinking to change…you can act angry to feel angry…
they do not operate independently…so the need is manifest in the mind not in the physiology…the physiology does not operate without some notion of thought or imagination and the need manifested is not unbridled or we would all be like those animals with bilateral lesions in our Amygdala, having relations with trash cans…
So there is more than just need…
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CopticChristian
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Bell,Maybe the prisoners kind of just close their eyes and try to think of something they’re attracted to.
This is a truly sad situation…it is not just closing your eyes…these are Criminals taking advantage of the weak…
guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/mar/07/grim-truth-gay-in-prison
"My first week or so in general population was hell on earth. Physical, mental and emotional torture. After being raped, I performed acts by request. It was understood and expected. I had no means to protect myself, being only 23 and scared for my life.
"I dared not report anything because I was clearly warned that my life would be in jeopardy should I do so. I quickly learned that a snitch is a worse label than a fag.
"Against popular opinion, jail is not heaven for a homosexual. Nothing is heaven about being intimidated into performing sexual acts. It is also rape, just like the three forcible rapes were.
crimspace.com/profiles/blogs/situational-homosexuality-in-prison“True enough, I am attracted to men and always have been, but in life [outside], it’s my choice whom I share a bed with; it’s intimate and personal. Having my mouth and anus aggressively penetrated by several strangers is anything but.”
Do a search for Homosexuality in Prison and the results are truly sad…it is not just closing your eyes…My experience - being a prison officer since 21 years - is that prison has a quite strong situational influence on behavior.
- the general closed, masculine (also in female prisons), aggressive, hierarchical and network-like social setting makes the prisoners: closed (introversion, keeping personal feelings in secret), masculine (more active, more dominant, not caring, not passive), aggressive (violent, intolerant, sometimes bestial, brutal, burned out, cynic etc.), dependent (hospitalized, hyper-vigilant, tranquilizer and body shape addict etc.) and builds up a gang identity and destroys the pre-incarceration identity.
- this happens also to prison officers
- the prison architecture facilitates this process
- prison regimes are also both results and causes of this phenomenon.
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Robert_Sock
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Yes, but we need to believe that in all things, God works for the good. At some point, it’ll all get transformed to good.Yes. …its learned behavior. Hollywood & TV flaunt it in half their storylines in last 20 yrs …and addicted many to this habitual sin. Now, they try to tell us it’s normal and to let children explore with SSA’s.
That’s Satan at work …thru his Hollywood / sex addict disciples…who also promote violence in their demonic workproduct, and are teaching the young in society to become homicidal semi-automatic attackmen/ murders.
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CopticChristian
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Meltz,I would be a lousy psychologist if I didn’t agree with you, CopticChristian. Still, my point is that the need itself, no matter what the influence, must somehow be satisfied.
Then lets go with mutual understanding. Needs exist but the satisfaction or need to satisfy can be tempered and the prision situation as pointed out in the other posts have more to do with survival than need…the need to survive is at play…
and in the context of Homosexuality is learned…learning to survive at whatever cost means learning to accept Homosexuality regardless of acceptance, belief, or whatever…the need to survive is dominant…
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Randy_Carson
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The OP never said that these children grew up in bad homes…Respectfully, I disagree.
There are simply too many homosexual people who were brought up in good and virtuous households with parents who did all the right things.
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Robert_Sock
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We are spiritual beings, not sexual beings. I truly repented of my use of porn and hyper-sexuality. I no longer have any desire for sex whatsoever! That’s what God can do!I’m referring to the strong physiologic need for sex. We all have it, whether straight, gay, or bisexual. If you want to attach to it cognitive, emotional, spiritual, or evolutionary processes, feel free; but the need itself is there, and, if not expressed, will most likely take other forms, constructive or destructive.
meltzerboy
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What does the need to survive in prison have to do with the need for sex on the part of the inmate who initiates sexual activity? Are you implying that if he does not initiate activity, he will become the unwilling recipient?Meltz,
Then lets go with mutual understanding. Needs exist but the satisfaction or need to satisfy can be tempered and the prision situation as pointed out in the other posts have more to do with survival than need…the need to survive is at play…
and in the context of Homosexuality is learned…learning to survive at whatever cost means learning to accept Homosexuality regardless of acceptance, belief, or whatever…the need to survive is dominant…
meltzerboy
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Why the dichotomy? Can’t we be both spiritual and sexual beings?We are spiritual beings, not sexual beings. I truly repented of my use of porn and hyper-sexuality. I no longer have any desire for sex whatsoever! That’s what God can do!
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Somehow…“psychology” and “satan” just don’t mix well. Psychology is a “science”…“satan” is a theological concept with no discernable basis in 'science" or fact.As a psychologist and someone deep in theology, I believe homosexuality is learned. I believe that Satan seduces certain children from and early age with temptations involving the same gender. As the child grows older, they intuitively feel as if they were born homosexuals, but the real culprit is Satan.
The same is true with heterosexuals who become hyper-sexualized from an early age with sexual promiscuity. It’s all the work of Satan and the desires lay deep within them…
There are other psychologists which disagree with you completely…homosexulaity is not “learned” any more than “heterosexuality” is “learned”. It si simply “the way some are”. It is a sexual variation humans and anilmals experience…for whatever reason. But “learned”? Such pseudo-science/psychology must never be allowed to determine civil rights.
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