Homosexuality is not a sin?

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latin_rite said:
Chatting online and came across this in a discussion.

What he is saying is that homosexuality isn’t a sin because of homosexuality, but because it is fornication
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If by homosexuality you mean the condition of certain people that they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex, no, that is not a sin. The acts that one is tempted to do because of that is a sin.
 
DaddyGirl said:
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I guess then…if two gay people are married, then their having sex is not a sin?

There are Christian churches-- Anglican and Episcopalian-- that allow same-sex marriage.

Marriage in those churches are considered valid by the Catholic church, yes?

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Those are not churches but ecclesial communities. There is only ONE true “church” the Catholic Church as it was started by the Son of God HImself. Marriages in those communities are considered valid by the Catholic Church, but homosexual unions, not so much!
 
DaddyGirl said:
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I guess then…if two gay people are married, then their having sex is not a sin?

There are Christian churches-- Anglican and Episcopalian-- that allow same-sex marriage.

Marriage in those churches are considered valid by the Catholic church, yes?

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Daddy,

Your attempt to soften is actually hardening…

Two gay people can never be married.
Two gay people can have sex and is always a sin.

Ecclesial communities that act as other than what is ordered by nature and the OHCAC are not acting as Christian. Just because Mormons state that they are Christians of Latter Day Saints does not make them Christian.

What Anglicans and Episcopalians or United Church of Christ or whatever do that is not Christian does not equate to validity. What they do for same sex couples in the name of Christ does not equate to marriage.

Marriage between man/woman is considered valid. That is as soft as you can get.
 
Suffering from same sex attraction is not a sin because it is a temptation. It is only when such people act on the temptation by being unchaste that they commit a sin and it is a grave sin to do so. But then again, it is a grave sin for anyone to be unchaste.
 
Holly3278 said:
Suffering from same sex attraction is not a sin because it is a temptation. It is only when such people act on the temptation by being unchaste that they commit a sin and it is a grave sin to do so. But then again, it is a grave sin for anyone to be unchaste.
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I was “chaste” once by a cop cuz I went through a red light while he was watching.🤷😊
 
Brendan_64 said:
I hope he didn’t catch you, because you would then no longer be “chaste” :eek:
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Well, He did so I was no longer “chaste” but was “caught and given a ticket!” And the ticket was NOT to a concert either:shrug:
 
DaddyGirl said:
I do see that the perceptions, definitions, and laws for people who follow the Catholic religion differs greatly from the rest of the non-Catholic world.

It’s quite curious to read about here.

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Because you are looking at the world only through your own perspective, which is far more of a minority than the Catholic position. The majority of the world does not engage in or demand homosexual marriage.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “soften”?..was just working it thru logically, since someone said the main reason it was considered a sin per the Catholic church was because the couple would not be not be married.

But it seems…that not being married is not the main reason it’s considered a sin, is it.
Because if that were so, same sex marriages in other churches–where marriages between heterosexual people are considered valid–would also be considered valid. But you are saying that they are not.

It’s considered a sin because they cannot directly impregnate each other?

Of course, you are speaking within the Catholic paradigm here.
As you know, many people all over the world do not consider it a sin at all and never did. And couples of the same sex can, indeed, get legally married…and in many churches, can also do so in a religious context.

I do see that the perceptions, definitions, and laws for people who follow the Catholic religion differs greatly from the rest of the non-Catholic world.

It’s quite curious to read about here.

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Daddy, you are misunderstanding the Catholic Church’s stance. The Catholic Church recognises as valid marriages between one man and one woman (who are non-Catholics, not already married) conducted civilly or in other churches. Homosexual “marriage” cannot meet these criteria. So homosexual sex is always “sex outside marriage”.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Not quite sure what you mean by “soften”?..was just working it thru logically, since someone said the main reason it was considered a sin per the Catholic church was because the couple would not be not be married.

But it seems…that not being married is not the main reason it’s considered a sin, is it.
Because if that were so, same sex marriages in other churches–where marriages between heterosexual people are considered valid–would also be considered valid. But you are saying that they are not.

It’s considered a sin because they cannot directly impregnate each other?

I do see that the perceptions, definitions, and laws for people who follow the Catholic religion differs greatly from the rest of the non-Catholic world.

It’s quite curious to read about here.

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Of course, you are speaking within the Catholic paradigm here.
As you know, many people all over the world do not consider it a sin at all and never did. And couples of the same sex can, indeed, get legally married…and in many churches, can also do so in a religious context.
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If you were unaware, allow me to inform you that this is the Catholic Answers Forum, where you might expect that a Catholic would offer you an explanation in light of the Catholic paradigm. If you want something different then this is not the platform for expecting or looking for that difference from a reasonably Catechized Catholic.
 
Rau said:
Daddy, you are misunderstanding the Catholic Church’s stance. The Catholic Church recognises as valid marriages between one man and one woman (who are non-Catholics, not already married) conducted civilly or in other churches. Homosexual “marriage” cannot meet these criteria. So homosexual sex is always “sex outside marriage”.
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Here is the difficulty…

Homsexual sex is always sex outside of marriage.

If a Homosexual marries then homosexual sex is sex within marriage.

Rather…

Homosexual sex is always sex between two people that can never hope to be married as defined and understood by Catholic thought and is therefore always sin.
 
Jessie5000 said:
Time for the church to revisit their understanding of sexuality in general. I am not alone in this perspective as many theologians agree. Many priests and Bishops also agree that we need to make changes but they must do this secretly or be punished. Most of the laity also want changes but they have no say as the church is run like a monarchy.
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Jesus said very clearly I am NOT from this world, this world hates me and will.hate you for following me. The church doesn’t have to revisit anything because the church is NOT from this world. The world is the one that need to revisit itself to adjust to the church. Oh and by the way, the church is NOT a democracy, can’t be and will never be.
 
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