Homosexuality Natural?

[InSearchofGrace]

**Homo-Sexuals aren’t pedophiles **

But like Pedophilia it is unnatural. I mean if you argue justification of Homo-sexuality by saying they were born with it then you are also saying that Pedophiles a re born with it.

In perversion i sea how people view it in that.
You see there is a trinity in marriage Man, Women, and God. Man has a Baby with Woman and that pleases God. Everybody wins. But when a Man marries a Man there is no baby which excludes God. So it is done out of pleasure for one self and there is no gain in it exept for the gay couple.

There appears to be an overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia, as submitted by Steve Baldwin in his 15 page paper on Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement featured in the Regent University Law Review:

Excerpt:

It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh. However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization the nuclear family. An unmistakable manifestation of the attack on the family unit is the homosexual community’s efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement. The homosexual community and its allies in the media scoff at this argument. They insist it is merely a tactic to demonize the homosexual movement. After all, they argue, heterosexual molestation is a far more serious problem.

Unfortunately, the truth is stranger than fiction. Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children.1 Homosexual leaders repeatedly argue for the freedom to engage in consensual sex with children, and blind surveys reveal a shockingly high number of homosexuals admit to sexual contact with minors. 2 Indeed, the homosexual community is driving the worldwide campaign to lower the legal age of consent.

 

[michelleds]

There appears to be an overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia, as submitted by Steve Baldwin in his 15 page paper on Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement featured in the Regent University Law Review:

Excerpt:

Pointing out that homosexuality and pedophilia have strong connections is not “out of bounds” or “uncharitable”. It is not casting aspersions when there is in fact a strong correlation. I do not advise anyone to google the word “twink” but that is a term in gay pornography for males either under the age of 18 or 16 or having the appearance of such. this is a very popular and large portion of gay porn images–both stills and movies. “generational erotica” is likewise a very popular sub-set of written gay fiction, erotica and porn.

Many if not most of the gay men i’ve known in my life were introduced to male on male sexual activities at an early age (pre-teens or early teens). In my opinion, they were molested, but most of these same men did not call it molestation, they called it an introduction. (my best guess would be that it’s self-protective for young males to see it in this way, but that’s a bit off topic.)

The problem, I think, is that once you start wearing away the edges of your conscience, every behavior starts becoming less unthinkable, less taboo, and more do-able. this is true on both the individual as well as the societal basis. And so, entry into the active gay sex lifestyle is a “gateway” eventually to whatever pops into your head.

The same is true of any sin, by the way, such as lying, cheating, stealing, etc. tell one lie, the next is easier.

 

[mark_a]

This article might help you out.

Cheers!

Great article.

In addition, there are many studies which correlate homosexuality with environmental factors such as broken families, absent fathers, older mothers, childhood sexual abuse, and even being born and living in urban settings.

This one bothers me.

Conclusive evidence exists that committed relationships between homosexual men are 50% more likely to break up than heterosexual relationships. Between homosexual women, the dissolution rate is 167% higher than the heterosexual rate.

This one seems about right.

 

[Biblepoe]

There appears to be an overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia, as submitted by Steve Baldwin in his 15 page paper on Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement featured in the Regent University Law Review:

Excerpt:

In general, it is probably a bad idea to rely on a law journal for information within behavioral sciences or psychology in particular, especially if it is a source that may have biases, like Regent University.

Here is another source that does a good job of explaining the consensus position among psychologists on homosexuality and child molestation which includes much of the relevant research done. It explains how a lot of confusion is caused by terminology.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

People always say Homo-sexuality is natural and that they can’t help it. How is this so? I mean if this was true then pedophilia would also be natural, which we all know it’s not.
Why do people insist it’s natural?

B does not logically follow A

I believe that the argument for it being natural comes from a belief that they are born this way.

Now before anyone thinks that I’m advocating for homosexual behavior, I want to reiterate that most homosexuals I’ve spoken with will say that “I’ve always known” or “I always felt this way.” So, since we don’t know the etiology of homosexual orientation they believe it’s natural. But none of knows where and how homosexual orientation occurs.

You bring up a good point. The FBI was the first (I think) that posited that pedophilia was another sexual orientation, as immutable as being hetero. (Which is why they argue for life in prison without parole for a single offense). Some science agrees in studies of the brain. I think that crosses a line. But, if some pedophiles are born that way, and if it’s unchangeable, and if it’s then a sexual orientation (albeit despicable), pedophiles can make the same “natural” argument.

pedophilia is at so low a level psychologically it would qualify as second nature, which makes it basically impossible to correct, the only thing you can really do is either lock them up permanently or chemically castrate them and hope they don’t do it again.

The Church teaches that homosexual tendencies are disordered because they are unnatural.

However a person with them is not disordered as a whole. I’ve noticed some people in various threads taking the opinion that homosexuality is somehow an “illness” to be cured.

Technically the Church takes this opinion on that:

“It is crucially important to understand that saying a person has a particular inclination that
is disordered is not to say that the person as a whole is disordered. Nor does it mean that one has been rejected by God or the Church. Sometimes the Church is misinterpreted or misrepresented as teaching that persons with homosexual inclinations are objectively disordered, as if everything about them were disordered or rendered morally defective by this inclination.” -Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination

The Church is also neutral on the issue of the origin of homosexuality. I don’t think we should be dabbling on the origins of homosexuality like that article. We should respect the teachings of the Church and take neutrality on the origins of something like that.

I would like to add the American Psychological Association and Psychiatric Association strongly disagree with groups like the Courage Apostolate and Catholic Medical Association who say homosexuality can be cured and is of poor parenting or abuse. They aren’t mainstream opinions.

But who am I to say that. If someone feels so distraught over their homosexual tendencies then that’s their right to seek therapy and become heterosexual. I fully support that option. There’s no guarantee of success and USCCB has stated that

For an appropriate Catholic response that doesn’t include controversial therapy and promotes the only appropriate path for homosexuals (chastity) I would encourage everyone to read “Always Our Children”

No it doesn’t, it teaches it is wrong because it predisposes people towards sexual acts inherently divorced of the unitive element.

The etiology is utterly irrelevant.

OBVIOUSLY some homosexuals are pedophiles as well as some heterosexuals. I never stated (in fact asserted just the opposite) that “all homosexuals are pedophiles.” Here is the quote:

I am not calling anyone names** nor am I equating pedophilia with homosexuality.** What I am saying is that part of the disorder of homosexuality expresses itself by male-on-male sex with adolescents and children. What I am saying is Homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals is Myth No. 8. .

Neither does Peter Sprigg’s research, which I linked, state that. You have totally misread what I wrote. I demand an apology from you NOW.

dj

Derek,
pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children, engaging in sex with pubescent children is not pedophilia

There appears to be an overlap between homosexuality and pedophilia, as submitted by Steve Baldwin in his 15 page paper on Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement featured in the Regent University Law Review:

Excerpt:

pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent children, engaging in sex with pubescent children is not pedophilia

 

[Ladygem]

Depends on how you define natural.

If you mean natural in the sense that it goes along with natural order and natural law, than obviously, Homosexuality isn’t natural.
If you mean natural in the sense that there is a biological/environmental (or some combination of the two) cause for SSA and that people with SSA can’t help being attracted to members of their own sex, then I agree with them. That being said, Homosexual acts are unnatural, and any sexual act outside of marriage is sinful.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

Depends on how you define natural.

If you mean natural in the sense that it goes along with natural order and natural law, than obviously, Homosexuality isn’t natural.
If you mean natural in the sense that there is a biological/environmental (or some combination of the two) cause for SSA and that people with SSA can’t help being attracted to members of their own sex, then I agree with them. That being said, Homosexual acts are unnatural, and any sexual act outside of marriage is sinful.

natural law≠nature

male animals hump male animals in nature plenty often. That doesn’t change how immoral the acts are for people.

 

[cformosa4]

People always say Homo-sexuality is natural and that they can’t help it. How is this so? I mean if this was true then pedophilia would also be natural, which we all know it’s not.
Why do people insist it’s natural?

Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder where an adult takes advantage of a child who is not at the mental capacity to consent.

Homosexuality is a mutual and fully conceptual romantic behaviour.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Homosexuality has absolutely nothing to do with pedophilia.

Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder where an adult takes advantage of a child who is not at the mental capacity to consent.

Homosexuality is a mutual and fully conceptual romantic behaviour.

That is only the current position. There are already behavioral health professionals currently trying to get pedophilia removed from the list of mental disorders, just as homosexuality was. And for the same reason. Social mores are the sole reason they are considered mental disorders. Remove social mores (or modify them,) and the disorder disappears. Ergo, pedophilia will soon if not already be removed from the list of mental disorders. The same arguments that have helped homosexuality along, with promote pedophilia as well. Arguments from sympathy with the pederast, and the unfair treatment they receive at the hands of society. And of course it won’t stop there either…

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

That is only the current position. There are already behavioral health professionals currently trying to get pedophilia removed from the list of mental disorders, just as homosexuality was. And for the same reason. Social mores are the sole reason they are considered mental disorders. Remove social mores (or modify them,) and the disorder disappears. Ergo, pedophilia will soon if not already be removed from the list of mental disorders. The same arguments that have helped homosexuality along, with promote pedophilia as well. Arguments from sympathy with the pederast, and the unfair treatment they receive at the hands of society. And of course it won’t stop there either…

Science has shown massive psychological harm to the child resulting from it.