Homosexuality: Never to be approved + every sign of injustice to be avoided

[casey_cates]

It is not just outside of Catholicism. Muslims, most Protestants, etc recognize the union of one man and one woman as marriage. But even in natural law only a woman and man can truly consummate a marriage.

That is why Jesus himself said in Mark 10:6-10, “And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept (divorce). But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

Again, same sex marriages cannot be consummated because marriage was designed as Jesus says for man and woman. God created our sexual organs for the creative purpose of new life.

I am not here to bash anyone. I don’t put myself ahead of anyone else. I am just here to defend my belief in marriage as defined by God in the Bible…

 

[Monkey1976]

Although Catholics may believe that homosexuality is wrong and evil, outside of Catholicism, homosexuality is scientifically normal, and an immutable characteristic among certain human beings. It is also culturally equal to heterosexuality.

Homosexual behavior is “scientifically normal” in the same sense that rape, murder, and cannibalism are. Yes, they are behaviors that are found in nature, and are therefore “scientifically normal”. That in itself doesn’t make them something to accept, much less celebrate. Now, before you rain indignation upon me, I am not saying that homosexual behavior is the same as murder, I am simply pointing out that just because something is “scientifically normal”, that doesn’t make it acceptable.

Therefore, outside of Catholicism, there is nothing wrong with it. That is why gay marriage is a valid civil right.

Outside of Catholicism, there is nothing wrong with the actions of Armin Meiwes. Not familiar with the name? He advertised online for someone to be eaten, and the late Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes responded. Consenting adults? Check. Does that make it moral or something that should be legalized?

Someday gay marriage will be recognized all over the world, and people in the future will look at us, the people of 2013, with disgust and disdain. Much like how we look at slaveowners of the 1800s with disgust. They will question why we even thought of discriminating against gays in this way to begin with.

Since you’re so gifted with prophecy, could you share next week’s Powerball numbers with us? There is no comparison with slavery here. There is no comparison with interracial marriage. This isn’t about equality - this is about people who indulge in a particular behavior seeking approbation for that behavior.

I don’t want to look at my children and grandchildren and admit to them, with embarrassment, at how I used to oppose the civil rights of gays.

Would you rather teach them that they can do whatever they want and be applauded for it, provided they shout loud enough?

That is another reason why I support gay marriage rights. I do not wish to be on the the wrong side of a civil rights issue.

No worries there - this has nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with selfishness.

I understand what Jesus’ love truly is.

No, you understand what our culture has distorted his love into. Our Lord did come to call sinners - but to forgiveness and repentance, not approval of their sins.

 

[Michael57]

Which homosexual asked you for permission? Is that not just a bit presumptuous? How many homosexuals have you asked for permission for your marriage?

No, I am not a homosexual personally, but I do tire of the lip service given to homosexuality is a disorder but the desire is not in itself a sin only the acts. Practically every thread on this subject descends to nearly hatred while the fact that SSA is not sinful in and of itself is avoided a lot.

I get a feeling this comes from the far right politics most on this board have.

The tyranny of the majority is still tyranny, always. But the majority is not everyone and not all are born attracted to the opposite sex. And not everyone with SSA is a promiscuous monster marching in parades near nude.

It’s more fun to “pile up, gang up” on the small minority isn’t it?

As I said, I am not a homosexual but neither am I a far-right person who despises homosexuals and believes all of the negative stereotypes. All I ask for is respect for all as the catechism asks for and is often ignored.

And what of the tyranny of the minority over the majority?

Or the steady march of destruction and degradation that our society has experienced over the past 50 years?

This isn’t “Right or Left”, this is Up (toward Heaven) or Down (toward Eternal Punishment).

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

…We must talk in different circles because I hear that we are denying rights…

My circle does view it as “rights” as well. It’s just that what is meant by “rights”. There are many different rights. There are constitutional rights, legislative rights, etc. All citizens have a constitutional right to a fair trial. Most citizens have the right to drive a car. I’m talking about the ‘right to drive a car’ type of right. The opportunity to drive car doesn’t mean I automatically can do so.
casey cates:

…But even if you use the word opportunity. It is the same difference. Marriage is not an opportunity for any and all for the reasons stated. So to deny a polygamist would be deny his “opportunity.” Same sex cannot marry. Look at the defintion: To combine or blend agreeably (freedictionary.com) Only heterosexuals can consummate the marriage in the way in which sex is designed.

Unfortunately, our government doesn’t go by the freedictionary.com definition of what a marriage is. Definitions change with time. Apparently, the definition of marriage has changed as well in a number of states. We can no longer go by what the dictionary says. The dictionary now has another number to it which means something different than ‘blend agreeably’ in the sense of consummation.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Why was it even on the ballot when I went to vote? No one needs my permission to live how they want, but for some strange, never explained reason, they wanted my approval? Why? As a friend of mine said, “Why do they need my permission?”…

With this in mind, I’m curious about your opinion about something. In my state’s constitution, marriage was defined as between a ‘husband and wife’. During the years when court’s were ruling in favor of same sex marriages, several states, including mine, looked for ways to define marriage as between a man and a woman. We passed an amendment to our constitution defining marriage as between a ‘man and woman’. We didn’t want for our state supreme court to interpret ‘husband and wife’ to be two people of the same sex.

It was on our ballot to define marriage between a man and woman. Playing devil’s advocate here, it could appear to them as heterosexuals making a preempted strike to deny their permission to live as they want, and codify in law disapproval for their lifestyle. They could ask ‘Why do they need to codify their disapproval of the way I desire to live my life?’

 

[Michael57]

To my fellow Catholics, please note the propaganda at work here. You are being called names with the purpose of questioning Church teaching. You are being falsely accused by anonymous others. The way you look at this issue is being grossly distorted. Why? To cause you to doubt. To allow those who hate the Church to try to convince you that you hate.

Pray for these people that they may see the truth. Do not be fooled or take the bait.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

Homosexual behavior is “scientifically normal” in the same sense that rape, murder, and cannibalism are. Yes, they are behaviors that are found in nature, and are therefore “scientifically normal”. That in itself doesn’t make them something to accept, much less celebrate. Now, before you rain indignation upon me, I am not saying that homosexual behavior is the same as murder, I am simply pointing out that just because something is “scientifically normal”, that doesn’t make it acceptable.

Outside of Catholicism, there is nothing wrong with the actions of Armin Meiwes. Not familiar with the name? He advertised online for someone to be eaten, and the late Bernd Jürgen Armando Brandes responded. Consenting adults? Check. Does that make it moral or something that should be legalized?

Since you’re so gifted with prophecy, could you share next week’s Powerball numbers with us? There is no comparison with slavery here. There is no comparison with interracial marriage. This isn’t about equality - this is about people who indulge in a particular behavior seeking approbation for that behavior.

Would you rather teach them that they can do whatever they want and be applauded for it, provided they shout loud enough?

No worries there - this has nothing to do with civil rights and everything to do with selfishness.

No, you understand what our culture has distorted his love into. Our Lord did come to call sinners - but to forgiveness and repentance, not approval of their sins.

Very well said.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

And what of the tyranny of the minority over the majority?

Or the steady march of destruction and degradation that our society has experienced over the past 50 years?

This isn’t “Right or Left”, this is Up (toward Heaven) or Down (toward Eternal Punishment).

There is clear evidence that the degradation was caused by small groups who wanted to re-create America to their image and what they liked, and did their best to drag as many of us into the cesspool with them. Knowing that is very important. None of what we’re seeing happened by accident. Destroying the family was a high priority.

Peace,
Ed