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Please educate yourself on Catholicism. You would make a better troll:thumbsup:
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InSearchofGrace
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Your “just 2 cents” is golden. Thank you for posting your experience in managing SSA!
It’s illuminating in the course of debate on the subject, which does get fierce and passionate in this forum. Yours is a voice much needed in CAF.
I wish there is a way of sharing your story to more people who have SSA and those who advocate that homosexual behavior should not only be accepted as normal but promoted as well in our society.
Your post is also a good reminder to those against gay behavior and agenda. The youth struggling with SSA should not be shamed but guided in a gentle loving way.
Blessings to you, kjn.
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InSearchofGrace
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A beautiful post, the message of which needs to be underscored. Like what a later poster (kjn) said in his. Thank you for sharing.Your struggles with this are an awesome offering to Christ for the conversion of all sinners (ourselves included of course).
Keep the faith! As a woman who was once in that lifestyle for many, many years, I can tell you that the very, very, **very few **Christians who loved me in action, but didn’t support my lifestyle made the biggest difference in my life. Mostly, their kindness and support (e.g., helping me in my classroom, offering words of encouragement when my dad died, etc.) made me feel uncomfortable, uneasy – they weren’t judging me, so there was nothing to fight against! The love of God in action is a powerful tool for bringing souls home to His Heart.
Loving the sinner without supporting the sin is an impossible task without the love of God in our hearts. Pray often, and receive the sacraments often. Don’t compromise. He will see you through.
And know that I’ll be praying for you, too.
Gertie
Btw, the signature picture you have is one of my favorite pics of Mother Teresa.
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Winstone
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I have been out of the loop for a while because of the anger and sadness I was experiencing reading some of the remarkable struggles my brothers in Christ have been experiencing in their daily fight against something, which in reality is their nature - the way they would express themselves in a loving relationship with their same-sex partners, if they dared. I only talk of ‘loving’ relationships!
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all at one in their condemnation of homosexuality. It is interesting that barbaric acts against homosexuals so often comes either directly from one or all of these faiths or out of societies that base their cultures on their long association with one or other of the faiths rooted in Abraham. It’s no good saying ‘‘Jesus loves you’’ or ‘‘Jesus died for you’’ if you yourselves are not going to love me or be prepared to die for me. All those sugary Christian expressions are meaningless unless you walk that extra mile with me or lend me your tunic or walk a mile in my shoes. Your words are empty clap trap.
Something from The Third Reich: ''Dr. Neudegg’s recollections are confirmed in many details by the memoirs of Rudolf Hoss, adjunct and commander of the concentration camps at Sachsenhausen and, later, Auschwitz. Neudegg’s account is something of a rarity: the few homosexuals who managed to survive internment have tended to hide the fact, largely because homosexuality continued to be a crime in postwar West Germany. This is also the reason why homosexuals have been denied any compensation by the otherwise munificent West German government.
The number of homosexuals who died in Nazi concentration camps is unknown and likely to remain so. Although statistics are available on the number of men brought to trial on charges of “lewd and unnatural behaviour,” many more were sent to camps without the benefit of a trial. Moreover, many homosexuals were summarily executed by firing squads; this was particularly the case with gays in the military ** which encompassed nearly every able-bodied man during the final years of the war. Finally, many concentration camps systematically destroyed all their records when it became apparent that German defeat was imminent.
The Gestapo was the agent of the next escalation of the campaign against homosexuality. Ex-chicken farmer Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo, richly deserves a reputation as the most fanatically homophobic member of the Nazi leadership. In 1936, he gave a speech on the subject of homosexuality and described the murder of Ernst Rohm (which he had engineered) in these terms: “Two years ago…when it became necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks.” Himmler closed with these words: “Just as we today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgment of homosexuality ** a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race ** we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates.”
Catholics that have a problem with homosexuality are in good company - the Nazis.
Survival in camps took on many forms. Some homosexual inmates secured administrative and clerical jobs. For other prisoners, sexuality became a means of survival. In exchange for sexual favors, some Kapos protected a chosen prisoner, usually of young age, giving him extra food and shielding him from the abuses of other prisoners. Homosexuals themselves very rarely became Kapos due to the lack of a support network. Kapo guardianship was no protection against the guards’ brutality, of course. In any case, the Kapo often tired of an individual, sometimes killing him and finding another on the next transport. Though individual homosexual inmates could secure a measure of protection in some ways, as a group homosexual prisoners lacked the support network common to other groups. Without this help in mitigating brutality, homosexual prisoners were unlikely to survive long.
One avenue of survival available to some homosexuals was castration, which some criminal justice officials advocated as a way of “curing” sexual deviance. Homosexual defendants in criminal cases or concentration camps could agree to castration in exchange for lower sentences. Later, judges and SS camp officials could order castration without the consent of a homosexual prisoner.
Nazis interested in finding a “cure” for homosexuality expanded this program to include medical experimentation on homosexual inmates of concentration camps. These experiments caused illness, mutilation, and even death, and yielded no scientific knowledge.
There are no known statistics for the number of homosexuals who died in the camps.
I also cite Iran and most of the Muslim world in their barbaric laws against homosexuals - all based on ‘holy’ books, not letting Christians off the hook. Even where the laws are relaxed or in place for non-discrimination against homosexuals, homophobia is just below the surface.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all at one in their condemnation of homosexuality. It is interesting that barbaric acts against homosexuals so often comes either directly from one or all of these faiths or out of societies that base their cultures on their long association with one or other of the faiths rooted in Abraham. It’s no good saying ‘‘Jesus loves you’’ or ‘‘Jesus died for you’’ if you yourselves are not going to love me or be prepared to die for me. All those sugary Christian expressions are meaningless unless you walk that extra mile with me or lend me your tunic or walk a mile in my shoes. Your words are empty clap trap.
Something from The Third Reich: ''Dr. Neudegg’s recollections are confirmed in many details by the memoirs of Rudolf Hoss, adjunct and commander of the concentration camps at Sachsenhausen and, later, Auschwitz. Neudegg’s account is something of a rarity: the few homosexuals who managed to survive internment have tended to hide the fact, largely because homosexuality continued to be a crime in postwar West Germany. This is also the reason why homosexuals have been denied any compensation by the otherwise munificent West German government.
The number of homosexuals who died in Nazi concentration camps is unknown and likely to remain so. Although statistics are available on the number of men brought to trial on charges of “lewd and unnatural behaviour,” many more were sent to camps without the benefit of a trial. Moreover, many homosexuals were summarily executed by firing squads; this was particularly the case with gays in the military ** which encompassed nearly every able-bodied man during the final years of the war. Finally, many concentration camps systematically destroyed all their records when it became apparent that German defeat was imminent.
The Gestapo was the agent of the next escalation of the campaign against homosexuality. Ex-chicken farmer Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo, richly deserves a reputation as the most fanatically homophobic member of the Nazi leadership. In 1936, he gave a speech on the subject of homosexuality and described the murder of Ernst Rohm (which he had engineered) in these terms: “Two years ago…when it became necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks.” Himmler closed with these words: “Just as we today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgment of homosexuality ** a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race ** we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates.”
Catholics that have a problem with homosexuality are in good company - the Nazis.
Survival in camps took on many forms. Some homosexual inmates secured administrative and clerical jobs. For other prisoners, sexuality became a means of survival. In exchange for sexual favors, some Kapos protected a chosen prisoner, usually of young age, giving him extra food and shielding him from the abuses of other prisoners. Homosexuals themselves very rarely became Kapos due to the lack of a support network. Kapo guardianship was no protection against the guards’ brutality, of course. In any case, the Kapo often tired of an individual, sometimes killing him and finding another on the next transport. Though individual homosexual inmates could secure a measure of protection in some ways, as a group homosexual prisoners lacked the support network common to other groups. Without this help in mitigating brutality, homosexual prisoners were unlikely to survive long.
One avenue of survival available to some homosexuals was castration, which some criminal justice officials advocated as a way of “curing” sexual deviance. Homosexual defendants in criminal cases or concentration camps could agree to castration in exchange for lower sentences. Later, judges and SS camp officials could order castration without the consent of a homosexual prisoner.
Nazis interested in finding a “cure” for homosexuality expanded this program to include medical experimentation on homosexual inmates of concentration camps. These experiments caused illness, mutilation, and even death, and yielded no scientific knowledge.
There are no known statistics for the number of homosexuals who died in the camps.
I also cite Iran and most of the Muslim world in their barbaric laws against homosexuals - all based on ‘holy’ books, not letting Christians off the hook. Even where the laws are relaxed or in place for non-discrimination against homosexuals, homophobia is just below the surface.
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sw85
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Why are we wasting our time talking about the completely irrelevant question of the etiology of homosexuality? This issue IN NO WAY bears on the Church’s stand on the issue.
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Elizabeth502
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:bigyikes:
Would you say that Catholics who “have a problem with” other sexual prohibitions (as defined by their Church) also can be compared to Nazis? In other words, does their agreement with the Church’s magisterial teaching make them similar to Nazis?
And is the Church, in her doctrines about sexuality, Nazi-like?
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cargau
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It is not the Church’s prohibition to homosexuality that is relevent, It is God’s prohibition. The Church merely affirms the sinfulness of engaging in homosexual behavior. That said, the Church condemns violence or any prejudice against gays. Indeed, as followers of Christ, we are called to love homosexuals. In that we are clearly not like the Nazis.
Your argument and supposition is really quite lame. If the Nazis favored feeding their people and the American government favored feeding their people, could we say that the American government is Nazi-like? Absurd!
As Catholic Christians, it would seem appalling to me to encourage and support the “right” of a homosexual (or anyone else) to sin. When we love someone, we must love them to heaven. Promoting homosexual acts in the name of tolerance is like allowing an infant to swallow poison just because they had the urge to put it in their mouth.
Your argument and supposition is really quite lame. If the Nazis favored feeding their people and the American government favored feeding their people, could we say that the American government is Nazi-like? Absurd!
As Catholic Christians, it would seem appalling to me to encourage and support the “right” of a homosexual (or anyone else) to sin. When we love someone, we must love them to heaven. Promoting homosexual acts in the name of tolerance is like allowing an infant to swallow poison just because they had the urge to put it in their mouth.
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SERIOUS issues of plagiarism. I found huge portions of your post lifted verbatim from “Homosexuals and the Third Reich”
by James Steakley (The Body Politic, Issue 11, January/February 1974)
A quote from the article cited above: “Obviously, gay people are going to have to write their own history.”
So not only do you draw offensive and ridiculous conclusions, unsupported by any stretch of logical or rational thinking, you plagiarize most of the post. pitiful.
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