Homosexuality

[SuperLuigi]

Thank you very much for the replies, I just wanted another point of view when it comes to the subject.

Also, christus, I meant to offense when I said “the bible was written a rather long time a go, and has frankly, outdated beliefs when compared to today.”. I did not mean that what it teaches is wrong, I was saying that the opinion on what people thought when it was written is outdated. For example, many people used to beleive that the world was flat. This has been proven otherwise. Also, 50 years ago it was bad to be black. Now it is not. Social views change, maybe some were portrayed in the bible.

1. I don’t think the “flat world” myth was not as popular in the old days as claimed today.
2. The post I am replying to has ageist attitudes towards tradition. Just because something is old doesn’t mean it cannot work today.

That’s a common secularist fallacy.

 

[Galbin]

Hi waffle

Not every Catholic hates gay people or gay acts. In fact, many Catholics support gay rights. These Catholics do not tend to post much on this board, but I assure you that they do exist. I am a practicing Catholic, but I cannot get on board with the Church’s stance on this at all. I do not believe homosexual acts are a sin. I also believe that people pick what they want out of the Bible. After all, if we are to take the Old Testament literally we should all be going to hell for wearing clothing made of mixed fibres (“Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together”) for planting a variety of crops (“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed”) or for eating pork. We should also put children to death if they curse their parents, "For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; as is blood is upon him. "

Christianity is meant to be based more on the New Testament, and Jesus did not even once comment upon homosexuality.

Blessings to you, waffle.

 

[christus_vincit]

Hi waffle

Not every Catholic hates gay people or gay acts. In fact, many Catholics support gay rights. These Catholics do not tend to post much on this board, but I assure you that they do exist. I am a practicing Catholic, but I cannot get on board with the Church’s stance on this at all. I do not believe homosexual acts are a sin. I also believe that people pick what they want out of the Bible. After all, if we are to take the Old Testament literally we should all be going to hell for wearing clothing made of mixed fibres (“Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together”) for planting a variety of crops (“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed”) or for eating pork. We should also put children to death if they curse their parents, "For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; as is blood is upon him. "

Christianity is meant to be based more on the New Testament, and Jesus did not even once comment upon homosexuality.

Blessings to you, waffle.

What you have posted is not in line with the teachings of the Church, thus what you are describing is NOT a Catholic position. Scripture is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. The Church has always and will always hold that the homosexual act is gravely disordered.

You are free to hold whatever position you like regarding homosexuality - but please do not attempt to associate your views with the views of the Catholic Church.

 

[Galbin]

What you have posted is not in line with the teachings of the Church, thus what you are describing is NOT a Catholic position. Scripture is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman. The Church has always and will always hold that the homosexual act is gravely disordered.

You are free to hold whatever position you like regarding homosexuality - but please do not attempt to associate your views with the views of the Catholic Church.

I never said it was the official Catholic position. I never quoted anything from official sources. I said the truth which is that most Catholics I know IRL are not anti SSM the way ppl here are. I never knew that such attitudes were so common among the ordinary faithful. I find it to be extremely sad. And I don’t want the OP to think that I am against homosexuals just because I am Catholic.

Interesting that you never addressed all the other stuff in the OT that we Catholics ignore.

Naturally I am free to hold whatever position I want, as are you. I don’t discriminate against others and think that it is right to deny them a sacrament because of their sexuality.

 

[christus_vincit]

I never said it was the official Catholic position. I never quoted anything from official sources. I said the truth which is that most Catholics I know IRL are not anti SSM the way ppl here are. I never knew that such attitudes were so common among the ordinary faithful. I find it to be extremely sad. And I don’t want the OP to think that I am against homosexuals just because I am Catholic.

Interesting that you never addressed all the other stuff in the OT that we Catholics ignore.

Naturally I am free to hold whatever position I want, as are you. I don’t discriminate against others and think that it is right to deny them a sacrament because of their sexuality.

Perhaps, if you haven’t already done so, you could go back through the thread and read some of the posts. You will not find a single Catholic person on this thread who claims to hate homosexuals. What you will find is that we hate the sin of homosexuality. There is a difference between the sinner and the sin.

We hate the sin, not the sinner.

Catholics don’t “ignore” anything in Scripture. We have the Magisterium - guided by the Holy Spirit - to properly interpret and help us live by the Truths that Scripture is conveying to us. The fact is - then, now, and always - the Church has condemned the homosexual act as disordered (once again, please see the many previous posts in this thread which meticulously detail the reasons why the Church believes as She does).

 

[Galbin]

Perhaps, if you haven’t already done so, you could go back through the thread and read some of the posts. You will not find a single Catholic person on this thread who claims to hate homosexuals. What you will find is that we hate the sin of homosexuality. There is a difference between the sinner and the sin.

We hate the sin, not the sinner.

Catholics don’t “ignore” anything in Scripture. We have the Magisterium - guided by the Holy Spirit - to properly interpret and help us live by the Truths that Scripture is conveying to us. The fact is - then, now, and always - the Church has condemned the homosexual act as disordered (once again, please see the many previous posts in this thread which meticulously detail the reasons why the Church believes as She does).

Well I neither hate the sinner nor the sin.

And Catholics do indeed ignore stuff in scripture. We wear mixed fibres and many of us eat pork.

I know the Church has condemed gay sexuality, but just because the Church condemns it doesn’t mean every Catholic agrees with their position. And that was the OP’s point.

 

[LittleFlower378]

Hi Galbin, if your interested check out the link under my signature. No Catholics are not to hate anyone but teach the truth in love about this subject. You love your children but you would never give them raw meat and steak knives to play with.

 

[Galbin]

Hi Galbin, if your interested check out the link under my signature. No Catholics are not to hate anyone but teach the truth in love about this subject. You love your children but you would never give them raw meat and steak knives to play with.

Sadly I don’t have any children. And I do not agree that homosexual the same as giving children steak knives.

 

[LittleFlower378]

Do you think that by telling homosexuals and others its not a sin and being a Catholic could cause scandal?

 

[blaskoman]

After all, if we are to take the Old Testament literally we should all be going to hell for wearing clothing made of mixed fibres (“Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together”) for planting a variety of crops (“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed”) or for eating pork.

Galbin, we are not bound by the old covenant rules such as the ones you bring up. Time to brush up on the basics of the Catechism.

 

[blaskoman]

Galpin, more importantly, if you believe homosexuality is non-sinful, you are to abstain from the Eucharist.

 

[McCartney]

I know the Church has condemed gay sexuality, but just because the Church condemns it doesn’t mean every Catholic agrees with their position. And that was the OP’s point.

I do not think the OP was asking why everyone agrees with the Church’s teaching on Gays. The OP was asking why Catholics hate gays. The outright response from Catholics on this thread clearly states that we do not hate gays but find their activities sinful.

As a Catholic I am duty bound to uphold the teachings of the Church, be it on homosexuality, murder, theft, etc. While I am not a homosexual, I do commit other sins and I do not expect my fellow Catholics to hate me for that. Gays did not burn down my house or smash up my car. So why should I hate them? They will need to answer to God for their sins - not to me.

 

[Darryl_B]

I have never defined myself as a heterosexual. I am married I have three children, but I have never defined myself according to that. Yet some people do define themselves according to sex. Why? You have so many pursuits, so many things which define you, and so many more things to offer, why should the definition of oneself be sex?

 

[SMGS127]

I have never defined myself as a heterosexual. I am married I have three children, but I have never defined myself according to that. Yet some people do define themselves according to sex. Why? You have so many pursuits, so many things which define you, and so many more things to offer, why should the definition of oneself be sex?

Personally, I see that view as too Puritanical. Not meaning any offense at all, please understand that, but I see that kind of view as “I’m going to act like temptation doesn’t exist!”

I have no problem saying that I’m a lesbian (based on my attractions, not sexual activity by the way), because it’s just one more facet of who I am as a person. I’m a brunette, I’m attracted to girls, I enjoy eating chocolate, I like sports. All of these things are neutral in and of themselves. Just because one provides more of a risk to sin (and I don’t know about that entirely…my liking of sports tempts me to gamble and my liking of chocolate tempts me to gluttony) does not mean I feel the need to pretend it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t affect my life, and by recognizing that I am gay, it also helps me avoid situations that I otherwise would find near occasions of sin.

 

[Darryl_B]

Personally, I see that view as too Puritanical. Not meaning any offense at all, please understand that, but I see that kind of view as “I’m going to act like temptation doesn’t exist!”

I have no problem saying that I’m a lesbian (based on my attractions, not sexual activity by the way), because it’s just one more facet of who I am as a person. I’m a brunette, I’m attracted to girls, I enjoy eating chocolate, I like sports. All of these things are neutral in and of themselves. Just because one provides more of a risk to sin (and I don’t know about that entirely…my liking of sports tempts me to gamble and my liking of chocolate tempts me to gluttony) does not mean I feel the need to pretend it doesn’t exist. It doesn’t affect my life, and by recognizing that I am gay, it also helps me avoid situations that I otherwise would find near occasions of sin.

No, you are wrong my view is that my sexuality does not dictate who I am. Sexuality is a small “personal” “intimate” part of who I am. It is a distraction rather than a focus of my personality, as it should be anyone.

 

[Rau]

I know the Church has condemed gay sexuality, but just because the Church condemns it doesn’t mean every Catholic agrees with their position. And that was the OP’s point.

I think it is important to be accurate in characterising the Church’s position. Noone’s sexuality is condemned. SSA is not in itself sinful, but is regarded as a “disordered” attraction, this being an objective, unemotional statement (in no way a condemnation of the person) which reflects the fact that the attraction is incompatible with the body.

What is condemned as sinful is homosexual acts. Indeed, all sins are condemned. (I accept you are in dispute with the Church over the sinfulness of homosexual acts.)

 

[Lin123]

Truth and God… Adam and Eve … God loves All , yes you. God came and gave us the way to live … So we all do the best we can do. I hope you will pray to God to get you what you need to understand …I think what you have in your heart is true to you but we see different!! But who am I to judge right… I don’t judge I try to live by God rules of life and what we do and how we live has a price to pay…I Have to stand up for what I believe …Good luck. and God Bless you…

 

[Rau]

Hello.
I am not a member of the religious community, so do not belong here. I am an Athiest. And before you ban me from this forum, how about you allow me to have a little discussion. I am rather open minded, and will not be offended.

Here’s my question; Do you, and why do you, hate homosexuals and other members of the LGBT community. I understand that “the bible tells you too”, but the bible was written a rather long time a go, and has frankly, outdated beliefs when compared to today. Second of all, your religon is based apon love, right? So why hate someone based on something that means a lot to them.

here’s some quotes:

“The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” - Mark 12:31

“Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.” - Romans 12:9

Even if you see homosexuals as your enemy, read this:

“But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.” - Luke 6:35

Thank you, I look forward to reading your responses.

I recommend you Google “Catholic Catechism Homosexuality” and scroll down and read the short section you’ll find on homosexuality. You will note the Catechism speaks of acting with respect, compassion and sensitivity and rejects any form of unjust discrimination.

Catholics are obliged to do their best to live their lives in accordance with the teachings of the Catechism.

 

[Cristo_Vive]

Hi waffle

Not every Catholic hates gay people or gay acts. In fact, many Catholics support gay rights. These Catholics do not tend to post much on this board, but I assure you that they do exist. I am a practicing Catholic, but I cannot get on board with the Church’s stance on this at all. I do not believe homosexual acts are a sin. I also believe that people pick what they want out of the Bible. After all, if we are to take the Old Testament literally we should all be going to hell for wearing clothing made of mixed fibres (“Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together”) for planting a variety of crops (“Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed”) or for eating pork. We should also put children to death if they curse their parents, "For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; as is blood is upon him. "

Christianity is meant to be based more on the New Testament, and Jesus did not even once comment upon homosexuality.

Blessings to you, waffle.

RIGHT ON!!! I am a transgender Catholic. I honestly do not know much about gay marriage, because I’m not in their place. But they do have the right to be happy. Just as I’ve chosen this path contrary to Church Teaching. When Jesus walked the earth He reached out to the marginalized, if He was here now He would probably reach out to the LGBT people.

 

[Kal2012]

Wow…the thing is that most people don’t hate homosexuals, but they hate the way that some in the homosexual community have changed society to accept sinful behavior as normal.

I’m a fairly open minded person, but I don’t appreciate being bullied into accepting a position which is inherently unGodly.

Honestly, I could go along with civil unions, but it’s taken years and a softening of my heart to realize that these relationships are going to happen and should have the same legal protections as heterosexual couples. Maybe we have treated people unfairly in the past, etc.

However, I find it disgusting that there is no respect for the fact that a lot of us really, truly believe that marriage is a sacrament/covenant with God and there’s no way that two gay men or two lesbian women will ever really be married in the eyes of our Lord - regardless of what popular society says or does.

Ideas like diversity and respecting others works both ways. I don’t have a lot of love for the KKK, but they are allowed to free association and free speech under the Constitution. I tend to feel the same way about most Liberal ideas as well.

That’s why people who support traditional marriage have to not just accept gay marriage, but they must be silenced and bullied into submission. Why do you think people are suing the Christians who don’t want to participate in gay marriage/commitment ceremonies? It’s about shaming people.

Personally, I think it’s shameful that I’ve lost gay/trans friends because I just couldn’t go along with their ideas and told that some of their theories just weren’t true. We live in a free country and people are free to disagree about whether marriage is a Sacrament or just something we do for legal protections. However, respect and diversity work both ways. I’m not open to respecting someone who’s going to bully me into accepting their position. That’s not true acceptance of an idea, but acceptance by fear of repercussions. That’s two different things.