Homosexuals and Salvation

[LCMS_No_More]

So, there IS at least ONE heretic among us who believes in the discredited and anathematized doctrine that John Calvin, of cursed memory, put forth, namely, that of supralapsarianism (the doctrine that God actively predestines people to hell and it’s based, not on the refusal of the sinner to repent and turn toward Him but just because He wants to do it and that He can).

Confirms my suspicions on one level, at least.

 

[m134e5]

Whoever said there is no hope for salvation for homosexuals (might I remind those who need to be reminded that the poll gave conditions- it referred to those with homosexual attractions WHETHER OR NOT THEY ACT ON THEM- so this includes those who are totally chaste.) needs to re-read the Catechism, they should also read some things on www.couragerc.org (Courage is an apostolate for those who struggle with homosexuality- it is approved by the Church). Are you Catholic? Your statements here are more in line with Calvinism than Catholicism.

 

[jegow]

LCMS_No_More:

A person who is homosexually attracted, who may or may not have acted out on their attraction, has come to you for information about what you believe about it. What do you tell them?

I would tell him or her that there is hope. What depends is whether or not that person is living a homosexual lifestyle. The choices that you have given us are too broad since whether they “may or may not” be acting it out sexually depends on what I may or may not be saying to that person. (For the person who is acting it out and the person who is not). There is a difference and your answer choices don’t seem to capture that.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

What depends is whether or not that person is living a homosexual lifestyle.

What do you mean by “living a homosexual lifestyle?” That could many things and my definition probably is more involved that yours may be.

The choices that you have given us are too broad since whether they “may or may not” be acting it out sexually depends on what I may or may not be saying to that person. (For the person who is acting it out and the person who is not). There is a difference and your answer choices don’t seem to capture that.

I don’t think that they are too broad. Actually, since there are severe limitations on the number of characters I could put in a choice, it’s hard to be as descriptive as I would have wanted.

The first choice is OBVIOUSLY a trap that I laid and someone actually fell for it. I pray that they read the catechism and repent from their heretical viewpoints. I’m actually surprised that there’s only one vote for that choice considering some of the outright hatred I read here about people who are SSA.

The second choice can be taken any number of ways, but what I wanted it to say is that “you have to do double penances and endure twice the purgatory that even the worst straight sinner would have to endure.”

The third choice is based completely on the Gospel and the teachings of the Church, period. I couldn’t get the part about repentance in because of space limitations.

So, how would it be different if someone is a practicing homosexuality? If you tell them the Gospel message and they respond in faith and repent based on what you told them, would their path to salvation somehow be different that it is for you?

After all, once they are baptized (if they haven’t been before), all their original and actual sins are gone, caput, finito, no more. Yes, they still have those disordered affections as a part of concupisence and that is something that has to be borne as their cross through the practice of chastity…just like any other Christian. The grace given in baptism is theologically the same. They have the same access to the graces of the sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession.

I don’t really understand your question.

 

[seeker63]

I suffer from SSA and have never actually acted on it. There were times I flirted with other males, but never have I done anything with them.

I still have a major struggle with masturbation and looking at/downloading pornographic images. Those were established habits before I became a Catholic, and in my Protestant background masturbation was never a big deal. I realize now both acts are sinful, but I’m not having much luck keeping them in check.

Sometimes I can only keep it together a few days after Confession and Mass. It’s annoying to have to go to Confession, get good advice, and then fall flat on my face again just a few days later. The SSA attraction has a powerful hold on me.

I will say in advance I’m not the kind of person to join a support group or 12-step program. That’s just not gonna happen. I only mention it here because I can be anonymous.