Homosexuals, celibacy, and relationships

[larkin31]

As our friend who quoted the NIV is not Catholic, I would not expect her to use an authorized Catholic version of the bible. Insulting her is uncalled for, however.

I was looking around today. What actually are the “authorized versions of the Bible” for the RCC?

 

[musicality]

I was looking around today. What actually are the “authorized versions of the Bible” for the RCC?

This is a good place to start

Personally I prefer the RSV-CE, others may suggest the Douay-Rheims Version.

If you are in doubt, look up “catholic bibles”–the ones presented should have a bishop’s Nihil obstat/Imprimatur.

 

[Julia1996]

Are Catholic Bibles so different from other Bibles? They are taken from the same source. Although the NIV translation is slightly biased, they still cannot stray so far from the truth.

The link you have pointed out that sometimes work is used sometimes “what he has done”. Works (ergon) and “what he has done” (erga) mean the same thing.
From dictionary.com:
Work
the result of exertion, labor, or activity; a deed or performance.
Deed
Something that is done

Therefore, works and “what he has done” are one in the same.
The difference in choice of words could be to avoid repetitiveness.

 

[BobObob]

There is more to an intimate relationship than sex. There are levels of intimacy. Any level of intimacy beyond friendship belongs to marriage.

What about “best friends”. I don’t think it’s the degree of intimacy that’s exclusive to marriage so much as it is the quality, or kind, of intimacy which is exclusive to marriage. A romantic relationship between two homosexual persons aught to be avoided for many reasons. However, this does not mean that two men cannot have an intimate relationship as brothers.

David said “I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.” (2 Samuel 1:26) In saying this, he was not talking about any romantic or erotic relationship, contrary to what some people think, but rather, an intensely intimate brotherly relationship as “best friends”. This intense relationship, which is often misinterpreted by a society looking license for certain illicit behaviors, is also seen in 1 Samuel 18:1-5.

So there are problems with living in a “committed relationship” without the sex.

I suppose that a certain commitment might be sought in order that the threat of that person entering into a romantic relationship with the opposite sex (if the other person is attracted to the opposite sex) taking away from the existing friendship or putting distance between the individuals, is eliminated.

 

[DebChris]

What about “best friends”. I don’t think it’s the degree of intimacy that’s exclusive to marriage so much as it is the quality, or kind, of intimacy which is exclusive to marriage. A romantic relationship between two homosexual persons aught to be avoided for many reasons. However, this does not mean that two men cannot have an intimate relationship as brothers.

David said “I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.” (2 Samuel 1:26) In saying this, he was not talking about any romantic or erotic relationship, contrary to what some people think, but rather, an intensely intimate brotherly relationship as “best friends”. This intense relationship, which is often misinterpreted by a society looking license for certain illicit behaviors, is also seen in 1 Samuel 18:1-5.

I suppose that a certain commitment might be sought in order that the threat of that person entering into a romantic relationship with the opposite sex (if the other person is attracted to the opposite sex) taking away from the existing friendship or putting distance between the individuals, is eliminated.

Although it is fiction, this is the relationship I see in Lonesome Dove between Cal and Woodrow. They fight constantly like “an old married couple.” They are fiercely loyal to one another. Friendships and intimacy develop over time.

 

[larkin31]

This is a good place to start

Personally I prefer the RSV-CE, others may suggest the Douay-Rheims Version.

If you are in doubt, look up “catholic bibles”–the ones presented should have a bishop’s Nihil obstat/Imprimatur.

So, the RCC does not publish nor require that their parishes use any particular Bible? I read the link that you provided (thanks), and it is many many paragraphs long and in the end makes only suggestions, both of which are books sold at CA.

Does the Holy See make no doctrinal claims about translations other than bishop imprimaturs?

I will also check out the Vatican website, but I had thought that this would be a simple bullet list answer. My bad!

 

[musicality]

So, the RCC does not publish nor require that their parishes use any particular Bible? [/QOUTE]

Parishioners may read whatever Bible they please, but for the Mass there are usually more specific requirements:

usccb.org/nab/faq.shtml

• 1. Is the New American Bible the only translation of Scriptures we can read from at Mass?

Since May 19, 2002, the revised Lectionary, based on the New American Bible is the only English-language Lectionary that may be used at Mass in the dioceses of the United States, except for the current Lectionary for Masses with Children which remains in use.

The 1970 edition of the New American Bible is used in the Scripture readings and canticles of the Liturgy of the Hours (except the Benedictus, Magnificat, and Nunc dimittis.) *

Does the Holy See make no doctrinal claims about translations other than bishop imprimaturs?

 

[larkin31]

larkin31;6963466:

So, the RCC does not publish nor require that their parishes use any particular Bible? [/QOUTE]

Parishioners may read whatever Bible they please, but for the Mass there are usually more specific requirements:

usccb.org/nab/faq.shtml

• 1. Is the New American Bible the only translation of Scriptures we can read from at Mass?

Since May 19, 2002, the revised Lectionary, based on the New American Bible is the only English-language Lectionary that may be used at Mass in the dioceses of the United States, except for the current Lectionary for Masses with Children which remains in use.

The 1970 edition of the New American Bible is used in the Scripture readings and canticles of the Liturgy of the Hours (except the Benedictus, Magnificat, and Nunc dimittis.) *

I don’t have a good answer to that question because I don’t know.

All that being said–in an attempt to get this thread back on topic:

One of the reasons that it is important to have accurate translations approved by scholars of the Church is so that we may come to correct conclusions on topics like those presented in this thread.

With a poor non-literal translation like The Message (don’t get me wrong, there are decent non-literal translations), we would come to completely different conclusions than a scholar using the Latin Vulgate as a resource.

This is also partially why we trust theologians to provide us with the reasons behind the Church’s teachings. A person who is not well educated cannot necessarily pick up any translation of the Bible and come to proper conclusions without help–though they will probably hit the major points. It is when people assume that they are qualified to interpret complex scripture that they often stray from the truth. That is why there are so many Catholics and evangelicals who support gay marriage and the like.

Thanks.

The New American Bible.

I will bookmark it.

 

[Kolbe300]

What if two homosexuals lived together, were in a committed relationship, but were committed to God and their vows of Chastity? What do you think about this? Is this sinful?

I don’t see anything sinful in this case at all. In fact, I can see it as an opportunity for the strengthening of faith. Our lives should be given to God, first and foremost. To share that journey toward God with someone you love could be a very beautiful thing. I think the situation you describe could only be considered sinful in the eyes of one who cannot view love outside of the context of physical relationship, IMHO.

Peace!

 

[Julia1996]

I don’t see anything sinful in this case at all. In fact, I can see it as an opportunity for the strengthening of faith. Our lives should be given to God, first and foremost. To share that journey toward God with someone you love could be a very beautiful thing. I think the situation you describe could only be considered sinful in the eyes of one who cannot view love outside of the context of physical relationship, IMHO.

Peace!

I’m inclined to agree that it is good to share your journey toward God with someone you love. The issue here is really what kind of love. Carnal love and maybe even romantic love could prove a problem, but loving each other as close friends would be fine.

God bless.

Julia

 

[LCMS_No_More]

Although it is fiction, this is the relationship I see in Lonesome Dove between Cal and Woodrow. They fight constantly like “an old married couple.” They are fiercely loyal to one another. Friendships and intimacy develop over time.

While not examples of morality (they’re both serial fornicators and adulterers), Alan Shore and Denny Crane from Boston Legal are also a good example of close same-sex friendships that involve deep intimacy but no sex between the two.

 

[Prophesy]

You have a reference for this?

She doesn’t, guaranteed. Even Augustine provided support for a non-literal interpretation of Genesis. The Church has never understood Scripture to only be read in the literal sense, MariaTS can check the Catechism for the 4 senses of Scripture (because unlike the things listed, this is actually included in the Catechism).

-Prophecy

 

[Prophesy]

Although it is fiction, this is the relationship I see in Lonesome Dove between Cal and Woodrow. They fight constantly like “an old married couple.” They are fiercely loyal to one another. Friendships and intimacy develop over time.

A more Catholic example of this intimate friendship could be found in the friendship of Frodo Baggins and Samwise Gamgee in J.R.R. Tolkien’s epic The Lord of the Rings.

-Prophecy