Homosexuals minus the sex

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Somebody asked me, and now I’m asking you. Would a homosexual couple be sinning if they never had sex?

It seems to make sense. The part that’s sinful about homosexual activitiies is the sex. Would kissing and hugging a member of the same sex with romantic intentions still be sinful, despite the lack of sex. It seems a tad unrealistic and self defeating to keep a relationship going that will never and can never be consumated, but it is an interesting thought.
 
I would say you are correct.
God makes everyone in his image. So He loves everyone. But what homosexual acts goes against is the 'theology of the body '. God created man to be accepted by a woman. That is the ideal pairing for God. God does not hate those who do not live up to his ideal. But he wants us to defend and to try to live to it.

So if two men love each other. God loves them. But if they have sex… I then they are not living or defending the reason for sex.

There have been many books that have been written on the theology of the body presented by John Paul II. Even the wiki page does a pretty good job of summing it up. The really is no hate for homosexuals in his teachings. Just a loving example.
 
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Somebody asked me, and now I’m asking you. Would a homosexual couple be sinning if they never had sex?

It seems to make sense. The part that’s sinful about homosexual activitiies is the sex. Would kissing and hugging a member of the same sex with romantic intentions still be sinful, despite the lack of sex. It seems a tad unrealistic and self defeating to keep a relationship going that will never and can never be consumated, but it is an interesting thought.
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Yes, they would. The purpose of romantic relationships (dating/courting) is to lead to marriage. It is a near occasion to sin to date someone long-term without any serious plans for marriage. Since homosexuals cannot marry, they cannot date. Likewise, since they cannot have sex, they cannot do those things which lead up to sex.

Homosexuality is a serious disorder. Those of us who are homosexuals, like everyone else, have two possible vocations in life – priesthood/religious or family. Someone who is homosexual could possibly find a person of the opposite sex who is understanding enough to marry them or if they can get their desires under control enough that religious life would not be an occasion of sin for them or that they could be truly good priests, then they can do that. But mostly, they – we – just need to take it day by day and stay out of trouble.
 
Actually recent studies show that the “cure” for homosexuality is nonsexual male friendship. Homosexual males have had bad relationships with men in the past (sometimes father, but usually male peers when growing up did not accept them for whatever reason, such as not being good at sports, so they identified more with their female classmates) and they turn to the homosexual lifestyle for acceptance and/or to take out their rage on someone. So as long as they are not dating (which is for the purpose of discerning a vocation of marriage with the person you are dating) or kissing or anything romantic that can lead to sin (or scandal where others believe they are sinning), it is fine for male friends to hang out together. Some men with SSA actually helped each other stay out of each trouble, sort of like buddies from a support group. Another good thing I’ve heard for men with SSA is for them to go to counselling. There are clearly problems in the past that need to be sorted out. A lot of people could benefit from counselling so it’s not “mean” to say that people who’ve been hurt in the past should go if they need help to work out their problems.
 
Yes, most likely. Same thing for straight couples. As pilgrim stated this is placing oneself in a near occasion of sin, and probably a few other things. Would it be a mortal sin? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, it depends.
 
Yes, stephe, I agree with you about male friendships (their value in this particular area especially). The only problem is that you’re suggesting that kissing will not lead to other things. For both homosexuals romantically attracted to each other, and heterosexuals romantically attracted to teach other, the impulse is to unite bodily. Kissing is a gateway activity to fuller contact for those already mutually attracted. (Very different than a woman receiving a kiss on the cheek from a grateful, married male friend out of warm friendship, or two men who have a Platonic relationship hugging each other with/after a handshake.)

The second problem is the exclusivity. That promotes sexual desire because it focuses the attraction on one person, transforming attention from general male friendship to a single love-attraction.

The third problem is that often 'best" homosexual friends also cohabitate, and in doing so face an even greater temptation (or frustration) by sharing living quarters. Naturally heteroseexual cohabitating couples face the same problem. Which is why cohabitation is ill-advised for those couples desiring to remain chaste.

So what I’m saying is that your first post seems to contradict your recent one. You’re absolutely right that healthy, normal male friendships, plural, show men who have acted out homosexually an entirely new paradigm for male-to-male relationships. That, btw, is one major thing that the movement Courage does. But to suggest that they can then couple-up without resorting to sexual expression is asking a lot, i.m.o.

And yes, counseling is a huge help in sorting out how they got to where they are.
 
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