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John7
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Matthew 25:41
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels”
Although it was **prepared **for the Devil and his angels, in the end though it won’t be populated with just them. Look at the first part of the verse…those on the ‘left hand’ will also be thrown into ‘everlasting fire’.
for context Matthew 25:32-34,
“And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world”
All nations of people are being separated here and some, the sheep, go into ‘the kingdom’ whereas the others, the goats, go to ‘everlasting fire’.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels”
Although it was **prepared **for the Devil and his angels, in the end though it won’t be populated with just them. Look at the first part of the verse…those on the ‘left hand’ will also be thrown into ‘everlasting fire’.
for context Matthew 25:32-34,
“And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world”
All nations of people are being separated here and some, the sheep, go into ‘the kingdom’ whereas the others, the goats, go to ‘everlasting fire’.
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joseph_nally
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Completely agreed. Yes, the point I was bringing out was that according to this verse it seems that we see God explaining that the ‘original’ intent was not for people at all, but to simply exterminate the archetype rebels. None the less, I see your point and we are agreed. Thank you.
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Jesus_N_Cherie
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What about the story of the dead man who was eternally thirsty or something. He asked for a drink or something and was told no…as was his punishment for the life he had led on earth. And he wanted to go back to warn his brothers, but God would not let him out of the place he was in…as it is eternal.
I cannot remember the chapter or verse…sorry. But doesn’t that signify that people who aren’t separated and led to His right do not just bleep out of existance?
I cannot remember the chapter or verse…sorry. But doesn’t that signify that people who aren’t separated and led to His right do not just bleep out of existance?
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John7
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The parable of the ‘rich man’ and Lazarus, Luke 16:20-31What about the story of the dead man who was eternally thirsty or something. He asked for a drink or something and was told no…as was his punishment for the life he had led on earth. And he wanted to go back to warn his brothers, but God would not let him out of the place he was in…as it is eternal. I cannot remember the chapter or verse…sorry.
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joseph_nally
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Jesus N Cherie, thank you for suggesting that passage and bringing it into this discussion. I’ve been looking over that section of scripture too, attempting to reconcile it with the rest of the canon.
The first thing I notice when I look at Luke 16:19-31 is that it seems to be a parable. The previous chapter contains the parables of the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the lost son, and chapter 16 starts with the parable of the unjust steward and immediately transitions into what you brought up. For Jesus, these verses include a lot of story telling type of imagery reminiscent of only His parables. If that is the case then it seems common sense to beware of making doctrine out of the imagery that is being used to tell a parable. Because usually, if not all times, Jesus has ‘one’ point to make in a parable and that one point is usually explained at the end of the parable, which actually is the case with this one too. Actually the definition of parable is a story used to illustrate ‘a’ spiritual or moral lesson. The lesson of this parable looks like it’s found in verse 31.
My other questions is, if we were to take the whole passage literally / doctrinally then what about verse 24. Will those in heaven be able to continually hear the voices of those being tormented in hell? (I’m trying to reconcile that idea with the rest of the scriptures descriptions heaven, especially Rev 21:4). And will a finger dipped in water cool the tongue of those being tormented in the flames of hell? (The rest of the bible’s explanations of the quality and potency of the flames of hell surpass what is suggested by what is told in this passage, if it is taken literally / doctrinally).
Do you have any more thoughts on this? Am I missing anything?
The first thing I notice when I look at Luke 16:19-31 is that it seems to be a parable. The previous chapter contains the parables of the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the lost son, and chapter 16 starts with the parable of the unjust steward and immediately transitions into what you brought up. For Jesus, these verses include a lot of story telling type of imagery reminiscent of only His parables. If that is the case then it seems common sense to beware of making doctrine out of the imagery that is being used to tell a parable. Because usually, if not all times, Jesus has ‘one’ point to make in a parable and that one point is usually explained at the end of the parable, which actually is the case with this one too. Actually the definition of parable is a story used to illustrate ‘a’ spiritual or moral lesson. The lesson of this parable looks like it’s found in verse 31.
My other questions is, if we were to take the whole passage literally / doctrinally then what about verse 24. Will those in heaven be able to continually hear the voices of those being tormented in hell? (I’m trying to reconcile that idea with the rest of the scriptures descriptions heaven, especially Rev 21:4). And will a finger dipped in water cool the tongue of those being tormented in the flames of hell? (The rest of the bible’s explanations of the quality and potency of the flames of hell surpass what is suggested by what is told in this passage, if it is taken literally / doctrinally).
Do you have any more thoughts on this? Am I missing anything?
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