honor of women in islam

[dolphinlove]

Dear Dolph,

If more women in hell, how can there be a sex-party where 72 sex slaves are promised for a single jihadist? You are not talking that 72 sex slaves are male, do you?

Oh yes, your right. There must be plenty of women to go around between hell and paradise. Maybe Al’lah sends them to hell once they are deflowered in paradise?

 

[Sam_777]

What an evil honor…

The honor to marry infant, (A) (E).
The honor to marry 6 years old girls, (E1) (E2).
The honor to allow unlimited marriages, (E).
The honor to allow 72 virgins in paradise, (E).
The honor to make women as dogs, (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 490), (E) (A).
The honor to allow adult breastfeeding (suckle), (Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3424) (E) (A).
The honor to allow wife beating, (E/A).
The honor to allow sex during women menses, (E) (A).
The honor that women are failing in religion, (Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0142) (E) (A).
The honor that the majority of Hell residents are women, (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 126) (E) (A) .

 

[MugenOne]

Actually, the seventy two virgins are spiritual beings created by Allah to satisfy men in heaven. I believe they are perpetually a virgin. They are not heaven bound women from earth.

** Saudi Cleric Omar Al-Sweilem Extols the Breasts and Thighs of the Black-Eyed Virgins of Paradise**
Following are excerpts of a video-clip featuring Saudi cleric Omar Al-Sweilem, which was posted on the Internet. The video quality is low in the original.* Omar Al-Sweilem: Harith Ibn Al-Muhasibi told us what would happen when we meet the black-eyed virgin with her black hair and white face – praised be He who created night and day. What hair! What a chest! What a mouth! What cheeks! What a figure! What breasts! What thighs! What legs! What whiteness! What softness! Without any creams – no Nivea, no vaseline. No nothing! He said that faces would be soft that day. Even your own face will be soft without any powder or makeup. You yourself will be soflt, so how soft will a black-eyed virgin be, when she comes to you so tall and with her beautiful face, her black hair and white face - praised be He who created night and day. Just feel her palm, Sheik! He said: How soft will a fingertip be, after being softened in paradise for thousands of years! There is no god but Allah. He told us that if you entered one of the palaces, you would find ten black-eyed virgins sprawled on musk cushions. Where is Abu Khaled? Here, he has arrived! When they see you, they will get up and run to you. Lucky is the one who gets to put her thumb in your hand. When they get hold of you, they will push you onto your back, on the musk cushions. They will push you onto your back, Jamal! Allah Akbar! I wish this on all people present here. He said that one of them would place her mouth on yours. Do whatever you want. Another one would press her cheek against yours, yet another would press her chest against yours, and the others would await their turn. There is no god but Allah. He told us that one black-eyed virgin would give you a glass of wine. Wine in Paradise is a reward for your good deeds. The wine of this world is destructive, but not the wine of the world to come.

memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1741.htm

 

[MugenOne]

But wait, what 72 virgins? More like 72 grapes?!

Some modern day philologists such as Christoph Luxenberg have argued that the word huri, has been misinterpreted by generations of Muslim readers as wide-eyed virgins (who will serve the faithful in Paradise; Qur’an 44:54, 52:20 ,55:72, 56:22) actually means white grapes. He suggests that the word is actually a misread from its actual meaning of “white grapes”, a word often found in many Christian descriptions of Paradise as abounding in pure white grapes. This theory sparked much joking in the Western press; Muslim suicide bombers would be expecting beautiful women and getting grapes.[64]

 

[Sister_Amy]

But wait, what 72 virgins? More like 72 grapes?!

Some modern day philologists such as Christoph Luxenberg have argued that the word huri, has been misinterpreted by generations of Muslim readers as wide-eyed virgins (who will serve the faithful in Paradise; Qur’an 44:54, 52:20 ,55:72, 56:22) actually means white grapes. He suggests that the word is actually a misread from its actual meaning of “white grapes”, a word often found in many Christian descriptions of Paradise as abounding in pure white grapes. This theory sparked much joking in the Western press; Muslim suicide bombers would be expecting beautiful women and getting grapes.[64]

How come Muhammad and all his Companions understood the verse, and didn’t think it meant grapes?

 

[Sister_Amy]

And for the record, the number 72 comes from a weak hadith, only exploited by non-Muslims to make Islam seem hedonistic or something. It’s not really a teaching of Islam.

 

[Sister_Amy]

To put it bluntly, your own scriptures and Muhammad’s actions and words. Don’t you believe what your own prophet said and did or do you just pretend they mean something different because you don’t want to face facts?

Vickie

Didn’t Muhammad say that the best of his followers are those who are the best to their women?

Did he say that or not?

And didn’t he say that the men who beat their wives were NOT the best among his followers?

He said that or no? And if you say no I’ll go pull out these authentic hadith, so you should say yes.

Or are YOU just ignoring what you don’t like to hear? Pretending he didn’t say that so you don’t have to face the fact that Islam honors women?

 

[Angelos]

Didn’t Muhammad say that the best of his followers are those who are the best to their women?

Did he say that or not?

And didn’t he say that the men who beat their wives were NOT the best among his followers?

He said that or no? And if you say no I’ll go pull out these authentic hadith, so you should say yes.

Or are YOU just ignoring what you don’t like to hear? Pretending he didn’t say that so you don’t have to face the fact that Islam honors women?

Verses speak louder than Mohammad’s words!

One more thing: humans can tell lies. This tendency to lying is what makes fascist dictators look like the fervent followers of democracy.

 

[GraceDK]

Didn’t Muhammad say that the best of his followers are those who are the best to their women?

Did he say that or not?

And didn’t he say that the men who beat their wives were NOT the best among his followers?

He said that or no? And if you say no I’ll go pull out these authentic hadith, so you should say yes.

Or are YOU just ignoring what you don’t like to hear? Pretending he didn’t say that so you don’t have to face the fact that Islam honors women?

Muhammed was a pedoplile. Yes or No???
Simple question…

as for followers of Muhammed… he apparantly had followers that beat their wives and some that did not. was it acceptable?

In Christianity its never okay under any circumstance to beat your wife… no matter where you are ranking on the list of followers.

Jesus responded to violence of the world… with LOVE… He bore also the numerous sins of you and your false prophet up on the Cross. Repent and turn to Him before the day of judgement, he is the only one who payed the price for your sins.

 

[inJESUS]

And didn’t he say that the men who beat their wives were NOT the best among his followers?

 

[Sister_Amy]

Verses speak louder than Mohammad’s words!

Indeed they do. And when a woman asked Muhammad about men and women in Islam, if men were better or something, a verse was revealed which proves that men and women are spiritually equal.

One more thing: humans can tell lies. This tendency to lying is what makes fascist dictators look like the fervent followers of democracy.

Makes politicians look like patriots too.

 

[Sister_Amy]

best or not, they can still beat them…in other words, they are not best among his followers though they are acting on a divine order !

 

[Sister_Amy]

Muhammed was a pedoplile. Yes or No???
Simple question…

No. I have already refuted this egregious claim, in fact.

as for followers of Muhammed… he apparantly had followers that beat their wives and some that did not. was it acceptable?

Why do you think he went and told them that they weren’t the best, those who were beating their wives? And how did he know they were beating their wives? Their wives came and told him!! Doesn’t sound like some scary misogynist if the women could openly and freely complain to him. But to protect the honor of those involved (because what happens in the home is private, and it would embarrass men in front of their friends perhaps for this to be known, their weakness.) So the women complained, he talked to the men, and encouraged better behavior.

In Christianity its never okay under any circumstance to beat your wife… no matter where you are ranking on the list of followers.

Well Christianity doesn’t actually prohibit it, as far as I know. On the other hand, Islam provides a procedure for a man to deal with his wife to ensure that he isn’t acting out of anger. He is NOT allowed to beat her out of anger, or in a fierce way.

What happens when a Christian man beats his wife? What does the church say? Or what does Jesus say?

 

[inJESUS]

inJESUS;3637161:

Are they acting on a divine order by beating their wives

? Not necessarily, and frankly it’s not likely if they are doing so out of anger.
of course, didn’t Allah say this? out of anger or out of divine revelation is irrelevent because the result is that they can beat women as per Allah’s order.

 

[inJESUS]

What happens when a Christian man beats his wife? What does the church say? Or what does Jesus say?

husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church - for we are members of his body. ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ This is a profound mystery - but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife AS HE LOVES HIMSELF, and the wife must respect her husband." Ephesians 5:25-33

 

[Angelos]

Indeed they do. And when a woman asked Muhammad about men and women in Islam, if men were better or something, a verse was revealed which proves that men and women are spiritually equal.

What do you mean by this? Which Koran verse says that men and women are spiritually equal? What is meant by the qualifier “spiritual”?

Makes politicians look like patriots too.

My analogy was meant to show a person’s statements do not necessarily reflect that same person’s true ideas.

 

[Angelos]

Why do you think he went and told them that they weren’t the best, those who were beating their wives? And how did he know they were beating their wives? Their wives came and told him!! Doesn’t sound like some scary misogynist if the women could openly and freely complain to him. But to protect the honor of those involved (because what happens in the home is private, and it would embarrass men in front of their friends perhaps for this to be known, their weakness.) So the women complained, he talked to the men, and encouraged better behavior.

Mohammad himself or the ones ascribing this statement to him were most likely unaware of the Koran verse that allowed Muslim men to beat their wives.

Well Christianity doesn’t actually prohibit it, as far as I know. On the other hand, Islam provides a procedure for a man to deal with his wife to ensure that he isn’t acting out of anger. He is NOT allowed to beat her out of anger, or in a fierce way.

Christianity has no book of Law with rules and precepts that prohibit some acts and endorse some others. Your starting point is faulty.

Yes, the Koran verse asks Muslim men to resort to beating as the last step of punishing their wives. Abandoning women in their beds (sexual sadism) is meant to be a comparatively worse measure to be taken in dealing with women.

 

[MugenOne]

What’s up with this quote? Calling women unreliable? Women’s testimony is only worth half of the men. Sounds crazy. My mama would respectfully disagree.

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy;3638512:

of course, didn’t Allah say this? out of anger or out of divine revelation is irrelevent because the result is that they can beat women as per Allah’s order.

It’s actually very relevant.

Innamaa al 3amaalu bil niyyaat

For English speakers, that means, that actions are by their intentions.

 

[Sister_Amy]

What do you mean by this? Which Koran verse says that men and women are spiritually equal? What is meant by the qualifier “spiritual”?

Is english really that hard? It means precisely what you think it means. Women have the same worth before God as men have. They have equal rewards in Paradise for their faith and deeds, and will be equally punished for disbelief and misdeeds. And the verse is 33:35–only don’t read the Yusuf Ali translation because it isn’t accurate. Here’s an ok one:

Lo! men who surrender unto Allah, and women who surrender, and men who believe and women who believe, and men who obey and women who obey, and men who speak the truth and women who speak the truth, and men who persevere (in righteousness) and women who persevere, and men who are humble and women who are humble, and men who give alms and women who give alms, and men who fast and women who fast, and men who guard their modesty and women who guard (their modesty), and men who remember Allah much and women who remember - Allah hath prepared for them forgiveness and a vast reward.