Honor your (cruel) Mother and your (cruel) Father?

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I have a friend who was kicked out at the age of 15, and was forced by her parents to live on the street and friends couches. How does she have any obligation to them? They won’t even acknowledge her as their child anymore, she has been removed from all legal documents possible.

How can you honor someone who doesn’t even consider you a human being?
By not dwelling on it, and not resenting them; probably by not telling anyone (keeping their shame to yourself, in other words) if there’s nothing to be done about it. Maybe pray for them when they’re dead.

Other than that, yeah, write 'em off.
 
By not dwelling on it, and not resenting them; probably by not telling anyone (keeping their shame to yourself, in other words) if there’s nothing to be done about it. Maybe pray for them when they’re dead.

Other than that, yeah, write 'em off.
How can you not tell someone that story? Everyone asks each other about their parents, or at least family in general. What is she supposed to do, just hum and stare off into the distance and ignore whenever such conversations occur?

How can you not resent someone that abused you from birth? She actually was MORE healthy when she was homeless than when she was at home. They beat her daily, as far as I can tell, bother father and mother broke bones in her body as early as 4 or 5
 
How can you not tell someone that story? What is she supposed to do, just hum and stare off into the distance and ignore whenever such conversations occur?

How can you not resent someone that abused you from birth?
You ask some honest questions.

To honor, is one way of loving someone. So I will use “love” instead of “honor”. This would be an example of Jesus commanding us to love our enemy. He didn’t mean that we should feel warm and fuzzy about them. He didn’t mean that we should be sending them roses and candies on their birthday. What he meant is to WILL THEIR GOOD FOR THEIR SAKE AND THEN DO IT.

An act of will is an act of the intellect and to do it is a choice. Nobody can force you to love someone, only you can make that choice. God doesn’t even force us to love him. Love is given freely and unconditionally. Remember that Love here is not an emotion. Even if your friend felt hatred for her parents, that’s ok. As long as she doesn’t ACT on that hatred it’s ok. In fact if someone broke your bones from the age of 4, it would be quite understandable to feel hatred for them.

So to answer your questions, the first step in her honoring her parents is to WILL it. Would she will it because her parents deserve it? Nooooooooo… that’s up to God to decide what they deserve. No, she would will it because she must have first chosen to love and honor God. We love and honor God by OBEYING his commandments. She would do it out of love FOR GOD and out of OBEDIENCE.

It is quite difficult to get to that place on our own. Love and Faith are gifts from God. It is his Grace that gets us to the place where we can know him, love him, and obey him even if it kills us. This is where the concept of dying to one’s self comes from. I’m sure that it would hurt like hell to even consider honoring her cruel parents or forgiving them. And it should hurt like hell because as someone once wrote “All death hurts like Hell, because God did not make it. (See Wisdom 1:13-14)… He goes on to say: Unrequited love is the very pain of God.”

Unrequited love means to love (honor) someone who doesn’t love you back. That certainly would be the case with your friend. Here she has the opportunity to allolw God to bring Good out of her suffering, so that her suffering is not wasted. Because by obeying God’s commandment she not only gets to know and experience love that she’s never imagined, which is the Greatness of God’s Love for her, but she also wins some souls for God’s Glory along the way.

Let us all pray for your friend, that she opens herself up to the Greatest Love of All which is God’s love. It looks like she sure could use it.

God Bless.
 
I have a friend who was kicked out at the age of 15, and was forced by her parents to live on the street and friends couches. How does she have any obligation to them? They won’t even acknowledge her as their child anymore, she has been removed from all legal documents possible.

How can you honor someone who doesn’t even consider you a human being?
Pray for them and forgive them. Forgiveness, please understand, doesn’t always mean having contact with the people who hurt you. It does mean letting go of the pain. Sometimes letting the anger and pain go is a long process, but I do think that God can give a person the grace to do so.

There has been times when I was so hurt by another person that I had to pray to God for the ability just to pray for that person. I couldn’t bring myself to pray for them, but over time, I did gradually let go of the anger.
 
How can you not tell someone that story? Everyone asks each other about their parents, or at least family in general. What is she supposed to do, just hum and stare off into the distance and ignore whenever such conversations occur?

How can you not resent someone that abused you from birth? She actually was MORE healthy when she was homeless than when she was at home. They beat her daily, as far as I can tell, bother father and mother broke bones in her body as early as 4 or 5
I agree. Part of healing is getting the anger and pain out of you. Some people, women especially, need to talk and talk about these type of hurts.

But if your friend continues to feel resentment and anger it will eat at her and could destroy her eventually. There are people so full of rage at abusive parents that they end up hurting themselves and the ones that they love. I’ve had friends who stagnated as individuals. They never got over the pain of their parents’ cruelty and they end up bitter their whole life. You don’t want that for your friend.

It might seem strange at first but honoring your parents(through prayer) is actually more for the child’s benefit then the parents. Letting go of the anger, and forgiving them(Doesn’t mean she has to contact them) will help your friend heal.

If she can’t do that, encourage her to at least talk to God about her pain. Even if she is angry with God, she can tell him so. It helps. I can’t explain why but it does.

ANd on a plus side, we have a perfect holy family in God the father, his son Jesus and his mother, Mary. Part of what attracted me to Catholicism is that I might have a nutty, abusive mother but I have a perfect holy family who love and cherishes me.
 
This is what I think.

“Honor” is a funny word. I think that most people think of “honor” as something that implies putting somebody on a pedastal. It does not have to be that way, esp. in the case of child abuse. I think that parenting is a privilege, and if a parent cannot do the job right, then they should not be allowed to do it at all. Parents are going to make mistakes, of course, but I think there are dealbreakers, such as daily use of illegal drugs to the point of not being able to care for a child, and abuse to the point of an emergency room visit. These parents should have their kids taken away form them until A.) they take classes to learn how to parent and clean up their act, or B.) permanently if that’s what the parent wants. Then the child can be adopted by a family who will value the child and give it the love he/she deserves. In these cases, honor of father and mother can be limited to a sense of gratitude for bringing them into the world and nothing more. Let’s face it - that’s all they did! I think if abused children honored their abusive parents any more than that, they’d probably be breaking the Ten Commandments in doing so, and I don’t think God wants that.
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  Parenting does not end in the delivery room; in fact, it starts there.  The relationship between parents and children is a two-way street.  Yes, children should honor their mother and father - esp. when the said parents are doing their jobs right.  Parents who show their kids respect and guide them in the right way gently rather than harshly will get much better results.  The children are much more likely to return that respect as well because A.) they learned how from their parents and B.)  the natural conscience that God gives us all would push them to do so.  (How easy it is to be nice to somebody who is nice to you, right?)
That’s all I have to say. 🙂

Tracy
 
My parents consistently ground me on the weekends for little or no reason, and when I can go out, if I’m not home by 10:00 PM I’m grounded for 2-3 months. I’m actively involved in my parish, I make good grades, and always obey them yet they consistently find reasons to keep me in the house, or just won’t give me any.

For example, My mom consistently loses and forgets things. The other day I had to borrow her credit card to get gas so I could make it to school the next day. When I got home, I returned the credit card in the exact same place I always leave it, and about 18 hours later…she couldn’t find it. Even though I promised them I had put it back they grounded me for the entire weekend.

They constantly remind me that I am bound by God’s law to not walk out of my house on these occassions that have been occuring every weekend for the past 3 years.

I feel like a vegetable, and I have little to no social skills as a result of this.

My question is: am I bound to the commands of my parents when they are completely unreasonable?
 
My parents consistently ground me on the weekends for little or no reason, and when I can go out, if I’m not home by 10:00 PM I’m grounded for 2-3 months. I’m actively involved in my parish, I make good grades, and always obey them yet they consistently find reasons to keep me in the house, or just won’t give me any.

For example, My mom consistently loses and forgets things. The other day I had to borrow her credit card to get gas so I could make it to school the next day. When I got home, I returned the credit card in the exact same place I always leave it, and about 18 hours later…she couldn’t find it. Even though I promised them I had put it back they grounded me for the entire weekend.

They constantly remind me that I am bound by God’s law to not walk out of my house on these occassions that have been occuring every weekend for the past 3 years.

I feel like a vegetable, and I have little to no social skills as a result of this.

My question is: am I bound to the commands of my parents when they are completely unreasonable?
The answer depends on how old you are. If you are under 18 it won’t be much longer before you can either join the military or go off to college, thus escaping your parents to some extent.
 
My parents consistently ground me on the weekends for little or no reason, and when I can go out, if I’m not home by 10:00 PM I’m grounded for 2-3 months. I’m actively involved in my parish, I make good grades, and always obey them yet they consistently find reasons to keep me in the house, or just won’t give me any.
Repeat after me:

“Mom, Dad, we need to talk.”

Organize a family meeting with your parents and ask them to start communicating with you about their expectations. Let them know that you no longer appreciate being treated like a five year old.
My question is: am I bound to the commands of my parents when they are completely unreasonable?
When your parents remind you of the commandment to obey your parents, remind them that the commandment to obey parents also contains a commandment to the parents, to not frustrate and provoke their children. 😉

Ephesians 6:1-4

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 **And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. **
 
Repeat after me:

“Mom, Dad, we need to talk.”

Organize a family meeting with your parents and ask them to start communicating with you about their expectations. Let them know that you no longer appreciate being treated like a five year old.

When your parents remind you of the commandment to obey your parents, remind them that the commandment to obey parents also contains a commandment to the parents, to not frustrate and provoke their children. 😉

Ephesians 6:1-4

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 **And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. **
jmcrae, you just gave this young person powerful ammunition against his parents.😛

I can see it now. “YOung man, you are supposed to honor me.”

“Yes, Dad, but you aren’t supposed to provoke me. LEt me name you the chapter and verse.”

Can you imagine his parents reactions? 🙂
 
jmcrae, you just gave this young person powerful ammunition against his parents.😛
I live to serve. 😃
I can see it now. “Young man, you are supposed to honor me.”

“Yes, Dad, but you aren’t supposed to provoke me. LEt me name you the chapter and verse.”

Can you imagine his parents reactions? 🙂
Yep. I think it will be a good wake-up call for them, to start communicating with him like the young man that he is. 🙂
 
Repeat after me:

“Mom, Dad, we need to talk.”

Organize a family meeting with your parents and ask them to start communicating with you about their expectations. Let them know that you no longer appreciate being treated like a five year old.

When your parents remind you of the commandment to obey your parents, remind them that the commandment to obey parents also contains a commandment to the parents, to not frustrate and provoke their children. 😉

You’re absolutely right, but I would make one suggestion: Since these parents seem to be very narrow-minded, it may be a good idea to have this talk with a third party present such as a counselor or their parish priest or deacon. Brian may feel some “protection” from this third party as he says exactly what he wants to say and the parents could benefit from the same third party’s fresh perspective. If he starts this conversation with his parents alone, I fear that they simply will not listen to him. Of course, there is always the risk of reprecussions at home if Brian tells somebody else “their business,” but if it’s bad enough, he can always call the cops - if it comes to that. (Not trying to scare you!!) However, said reprecussions should not in any way prevent Brian from talking to a third party. If I were him, I’d do it and soon.

Tracy
 
My parents consistently ground me on the weekends for little or no reason, and when I can go out, if I’m not home by 10:00 PM I’m grounded for 2-3 months. I’m actively involved in my parish, I make good grades, and always obey them yet they consistently find reasons to keep me in the house, or just won’t give me any.

For example, My mom consistently loses and forgets things. The other day I had to borrow her credit card to get gas so I could make it to school the next day. When I got home, I returned the credit card in the exact same place I always leave it, and about 18 hours later…she couldn’t find it. Even though I promised them I had put it back they grounded me for the entire weekend.

They constantly remind me that I am bound by God’s law to not walk out of my house on these occassions that have been occuring every weekend for the past 3 years.

I feel like a vegetable, and I have little to no social skills as a result of this.

My question is: am I bound to the commands of my parents when they are completely unreasonable?
Did you even ask her permission to use her credit card to begin with? I’m sure my kids would say that when I ground them, it’s for no reason when I know better that there is always one. They just don’t recognize it as valid.
 
Definitions of honor:

Ex 20:12 & Dt 5:16 (the Ten Commandments)

a primitive root; to be heavy, i.e. in a bad sense (burdensome, severe, dull) or in a good sense (numerous, rich, honorable); causative to make weighty (in the same two senses) :- abounding with, more grievously afflict, boast, be chargeable, × be dim, glorify, be (make) glorious (things), glory, (very) great, be grievous, harden, be (make) heavy, be heavier, lay heavily, (bring to, come to, do, get, be had in) honour (self), (be) honourable (man), lade, × more be laid, make self many, nobles, prevail, promote (to honour), be rich, be (go) sore, stop.—Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

[That was a big help, wasn’t it? :confused:)

Eph 6:2
to *prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication to revere :- honour, value.—Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

Ruthie
 
Personal experience:

My father left when I was still in diapers. He also did some much worse things. I had reason to hate him, and I hated him for years.

A few years ago, long after his death, I miraculously forgave him. It was not a conscious choice. In fact I had no intent to do so. I just woke up one day having forgiven him. Looking back, I think Our Lady interceded, even though I wasn’t even thinking of being Catholic at that point. I know it was a miracle.

Since then, I have been able to honor him for the good he did do. Maybe there wasn’t much, but there was some. I know he was proud of me, and loved me as well as he could. I am grateful for genetic things I got from his side of the family as well. Most of all, I am able to love him through and above the bad stuff.

So now I honor him, keeping the Commandment. It was impossible before God made me forgive him.

For what it’s worth…

Ruthie
 
But at a young age, when you could not rationalize and forgive, it was another story.

I am so sorry that you had to experience this, but what a way to show the Holy Spirit in action huh? 🙂
 
It says honor your father and mother. People have been getting at the meaning of honor, but what about the meaning of “father and mother.” Somebody who leaves a baby to die in a park is not a father. No honor is due him. Somebody who aborts her unborn baby is not a mother. No honor is due her.

If a father abandons his family, at some point the children may forgive him. But no honor is due him. He is not a father.
 
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