Honorius and infallibility

[Aris]

After a long lay off, coming back to the forums gave me a surprise.

This thread is still alive!

After getting a good answer from Grez in the first page I had thought that the question was finally answered.

Again steve is right. Anti-Catholics should rebut the issue based the Catholic definition of infallibility and not to how they define it.

 

[StMarkEofE]

Fr Ambrose:

and

Yikes, you have to read the caveat which I put at the bottom of that post…

"[caveat: the above is of course written from the viewpoint of Roman Catholic history]"

Yes, I too became a little uncomfortable with your post UNTIL I read the bottom,

Fr. you had me going for a while.

StMarkEofE :yup:

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Thepeug:

I’d be interested to hear other thoughts on this subject. I think Fr. Ambrose has a good point. Anyone?

God bless,

Chris

Yes.

The Pope’s critics lived a whole generation after him - which is quite long enough for his own intententions to be misunderstood or forgotten.

He was responding to one phase of the controversy, his successors, and the Council, to another: so he can’t be blamed for not responding to the problems of a time later than his own.

That said, I don’t know that any good comes of reviving this topic yet again. I think it’s far more important for Christians to meet the challenges of their own times, the times in which God has set them, than to revive questions of the incompletely known events of 1300 years ago: “Let the dead bury their dead, but you, follow Me.” Why can’t we let the dead past look after itself and stop reviving it ? Or better still, why can’t we leave to God - let Him look after it. There is nothing we can do to change it. And we are never going to convince each other - so ventilating this topic is a waste of time and breath. The whole question is simply a means of self-assertion - one Church or other wants to be seen to be in the the right. I don’t think that is a very Christian attitude. ##

 

[Loboto-Me]

Well, it doesn’t matter whether the Popes KNEW they were infallible or not, just from the scripture “What you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven”

Since the doctrine of infallibility came out, that’s the way it is, whether people like it or not, because the Church can do no wrong in faith and teachings.

Probably I’m right out to lunch here (this is WAY out of my league) and I haven’t read all the posts, but in my eyes, it’s a moot point to worry about the infallibility issues of the Popes.