Hope as an evil

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ClearWater said:
Yes, the man had a lot of strange, unworkable, ideas.
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He had a lot of strange unworkable ideas - most people do. šŸ˜ƒ

The one thing I would say of Nietzsche he is a good critic. There is a lot in his critique I could agree with, but like most critics he offers nothing positive and offers nothing in place of what he critiques. In fairness that is the role of a critic, but criticism is easy. Finding a solution is not and no matter what solution one offers, it will have have its flaws others will criticize.
 
Itā€™s just that if you want someone to model your life after, seems thereā€™d be others that would serve better for that role.
 
Isnā€™t he the guy a lot of communists also like to quote?
 
The virtue of hope, in Catholic teaching, is a supernaturally endowed gift, more akin to* trust and confidence* in the promises proposed by our faith than in the way we more commonly conceive of the term.
 
fhansen said:
The virtue of hope, in Catholic teaching, is a supernaturally endowed gift, more akin to* trust and confidence* in the promises proposed by our faith than in the way we more commonly conceive of the term.
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What is meant by the virtue of hope in Catholic teaching is different from what a secular and humanistic understanding would be.

In the context of this thread, hope is being tied in with a sense of the romantic etc.
 
Catholic meaning of hope = expectation and looking forward to salvation, to a happy end, toward God
The rest of the world= Material things.

Either way, it is foolish to hope. Weā€™re just being academic here. It doesnā€™t matter what the definition weā€™re talking about, though Nietschze was informed of Catholicism.

Hope, in any view, seems a waste of time. More and more to me, anyway.
Marie5890 said:
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What is meant by the virtue of hope in Catholic teaching is different from what a secular and humanistic understanding would be.

In the context of this thread, hope is being tied in with a sense of the romantic etc.
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Norm640 said:
Catholic meaning of hope = expectation and looking forward to salvation, to a happy end, toward God
The rest of the world= Material things.

Either way, it is foolish to hope. Weā€™re just being academic here. It doesnā€™t matter what the definition weā€™re talking about, though Nietschze was informed of Catholicism.

Hope, in any view, seems a waste of time. More and more to me, anyway.
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What are you looking for here?
 
Iā€™m looking for Nothing. And what youā€™re looking for doesnā€™t matter, either.
 
No human being has the power to change Godā€™s willā€¦

And never hasā€¦
And never willlā€¦

That is the bitter pill of reality, swallowed or notā€¦ šŸ™‚
 
Norm640 said:
Iā€™m looking for Nothing. And what youā€™re looking for doesnā€™t matter, either.
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What I read in your words is pain and disillusionment in authentic Catholic teaching.

Some thing they understand what the teaching of the Magisterium is, but when a real close look is given, many have been taught a distorted version of what teachings actually areā€¦

Hope is never in this ego and self centered western life and culture. Hope is only in Christ and the Kingdom of God, which really isnt taught anymoreā€¦šŸ¤·

The result being needless suffering due to a lack of authentic Christ educationā€¦

That is regrettable
 
Authentic CHRISTIAN hope is never ever evilā€¦

What we face is a culture that has distorted what Christian hope really is and turned it into a more secular and romantized hopeā€¦

Not the same thing. Christ never preached a romantized hope. Everā€¦
 
There is a real and authentic distortion when it comes to be an American with Christian desiresā€¦

America tells us we are somehow ā€œentitedā€ to ā€¦somethingā€¦

Christ says ā€œYou are entited to nothing in this life if you seek to be My Discipleā€

Itā€™s something of a mind screwā€¦those opposing messagesā€¦
 
I actually canā€™t believe that anyone would believe this statement. Hope is a strong driving force, especially for the Faithful and when things seem entirely out of control, beyond hope and devastating. Sometimes hope is all we have left and may be the best thing for us when we really need to have Godā€™s help.
 
But what good is hope if it doesnā€™t bear fruit? If you end up the same- or worse- than before? My brother told me once, when I complained about not getting an answer from God that God ā€œalwaysā€ answers us, whether we hear it or not. Well jeeze, how does that strengthen you? Guessing if God answered you? Searching for an answer? Hoping and praying and hoping and praying and getting- what? There is a point to that quote- it prolongs angst. I donā€™t understand God anymore. Or, rather, I understand him a lot less.

Our hope is to have Godā€™s help, his involvement in our lives. What good is hope if we canā€™t see it? What good does it do for us, and how does it glorify God?
Cricket2 said:
I actually canā€™t believe that anyone would believe this statement. Hope is a strong driving force, especially for the Faithful and when things seem entirely out of control, beyond hope and devastating. Sometimes hope is all we have left and may be the best thing for us when we really need to have Godā€™s help.
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Hope will bear fruit. God carries us when we can no longer carry ourselves. Each and every human soul is precious to Him. Some of us have to bear more crosses than others. I hope and believe that those of us who carry very heavy crosses in this life will find a very rich reward if we carry them with trust and hope and faith.
 
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