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I suppose that we will never know which of the three is the greatest until we know what it is that makes a virtue great. Anyone have ideas?

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I think this from the Catholic Encyclopedia could be helpful:

Theological virtues

All virtues have as their final scope to dispose man to acts conducive to his true happiness. The happiness, however, of which man is capable is twofold, namely, natural, which is attainable by man’s natural powers, and supernatural, which exceeds the capacity of unaided human nature. Since, therefore, merely natural principles of human action are inadequate to a supernatural end, it is necessary that man be endowed with supernatural powers to enable him to attain his final destiny. Now these supernatural principles are nothing else than the theological virtues. They are called theological
  1. because they have God for their immediate and proper object;
  2. because they are Divinely infused;
  3. because they are known only through Divine Revelation.
The theological virtues are three, viz. faith, hope, and charity.
 
fhansen said:
I think this from the Catholic Encyclopedia could be helpful:

Theological virtues

All virtues have as their final scope to dispose man to acts conducive to his true happiness. The happiness, however, of which man is capable is twofold, namely, natural, which is attainable by man’s natural powers, and supernatural, which exceeds the capacity of unaided human nature. Since, therefore, merely natural principles of human action are inadequate to a supernatural end, it is necessary that man be endowed with supernatural powers to enable him to attain his final destiny. Now these supernatural principles are nothing else than the theological virtues. They are called theological
  1. because they have God for their immediate and proper object;
  2. because they are Divinely infused;
  3. because they are known only through Divine Revelation.
The theological virtues are three, viz. faith, hope, and charity.
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Thank you for that! Lets say, then, that since the greatest of the virtues is the one that best meets these three requirements. Do you think this is a good way to begin our Ladies’ contest?
 
Socrates4Jesus said:
Thank you for that! Lets say, then, that since the greatest of the virtues is the one that best meets these three requirements. Do you think this is a good way to begin our Ladies’ contest?
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Sure, it seems we’ve spent enough time getting here so let’s see where it goes.
 
Well, then. But before the contest begins, i should ask what we should do if a fourth woman warrior steps into the arena. What if a fourth virtue challenges the other three, claiming she is greatest of all? Should we, in the interest of truth, allow the trio to accept the challenge?
 
Socrates4Jesus said:
I believe that was me.

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Since we men refused to draw blood to prove which lady virtue is the greatest, the ladies themselves are going to take up their swords!

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If you had to make a bet, who of the three lovely virtues would you think will be the last standing? Faith, Hope or Love? Or would you lay odds on another?
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I would say…If a woman has all of these virtues, she is a virtuous woman. So, having hope, for true love, which is the love of God. Would it be faith…Faith would be the one left standing.
 
I would say…If a woman has all of these virtues, she is a virtuous woman. So, having hope, for true love, which is the love of God. Would it be faith…Faith would be the one left standing.

No! it would be Love…
 
onelife1 said:
Faith, Hope, and Love… I think virtues are like the Trinity!
God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. We can’t have one virtue without the other. Wouldn’t this be the Trinity?

Just something for you all to ponder!
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I have been playing with this idea for awhile while reading this blog. For sometime I’ve wanted to note (again) that love can not be principally an emotion given (if we accept the Catholic Faith) that it is commanded and we can not control our feelings; however, experience has proven to me that if I or anyone does a charitable act a good feeling overtakes us. We also take on a stronger faith and a deeper hope. I can not give you a deductive arguement only an inductive proof: A lot have done it and a lot have experienced this Faith to hope to love and all is one and one is all and holy cow what am i writing?!
 
Hamlet123 said:
I have been playing with this idea for awhile while reading this blog. For sometime I’ve wanted to note (again) that love can not be principally an emotion given (if we accept the Catholic Faith) that it is commanded and we can not control our feelings; however, experience has proven to me that if I or anyone does a charitable act a good feeling overtakes us. We also take on a stronger faith and a deeper hope. I can not give you a deductive arguement only an inductive proof: A lot have done it and a lot have experienced this Faith to hope to love and all is one and one is all and holy cow what am i writing?!
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I don’t know…what are you writing? hummmmm……😉
 
What makes man unrighteous-what the primary mark of OS is- is his lack of Love for God.
 
Original sin is disobedience of God. There are different plausible identifiers of original sin in man. Self-righteousness, rather than “God-righteousness”, is certainly one of them. Another way of saying this is that man was no longer subservient to God because, by rejecting Gods’ authority, man had rejected God as his God-not recognizing or valuing His godhood, His righteousness, the perfection of His will, His majesty, His Love. Man didn’t love God as God deserved which is still obviously the case because until and unless we do sin continues to exist.

Man was cut off from God, the source of Love, the source of mans’ happiness-man had separated himself from God. The God-given gifts of Faith and Hope became important: Faith, so that man can again come to know of God and of His goodness and Hope so that trust can be placed in this God and the promises revealed. The purpose is to restore man* to* and perfect him *in *the Love he lost and had became exiled from by his sin in the garden.
 
Who can know besides God? We can have a certain faith and confidence but without absolute certainty. But in Catholic teaching, conversion, or being perfected in love/turning back fully to God, is a process.
 
onelife1 said:
Is it original sin?
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Original sin = the event in history when the human race first disobeyed God. The result was that this disposition to disobey was passed on to all human offspring to this day. It’s akin to a genetic disease of the soul.
 
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The debate in Protestant circles is whether a Christian has the power to turn away from God once He chooses her. I spent much time with die-hard Calvinists (who followed Reformed Theology) who believed in a kind of fatalism–God chooses the best and to hell with the rest. My current thought is that anyone who chooses to love and live for Jesus has already been chosen by him.

We love because he first loved us.
(1 John 4)
 
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