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Me and a friend of mine were (friendly) discussing existential stuff, life, death, actions, impact of said actiond on our lives ecc… He says, at some point, “Your (not “mine” specifically, a general “you”) hope cannot save you”.

What got me wondering, is saying such a phrase “anti-christian” (in a certain sense, since our whole concept of religion is based on “hope”) or is the Christian idea of hope different from the “mainstream” one (and so it does not really count)?
 
1 Peter 3:15 says “always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect”.

Yes, we have hope that we will be with God forever. However, that hope is not based on our obedience, but on Christ’s perfect obedience. Our hope is based on what He has done.
 
1 Peter 3:15 says “always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect”.

Yes, we have hope that we will be with God forever. However, that hope is not based on our obedience, but on Christ’s perfect obedience. Our hope is based on what He has done.
Christ obedience was not perfect. He doubt before his death: Matthew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”.
 
Christ obedience was not perfect. He doubt before his death: Matthew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”.
Stt , Jesus Christ is God. He could have got down off the cross anytime He wanted. He could have stopped His Passion at any time. Jesus Christ literally gave up His Life. He always had freewill, a choice.

Jesus chose to be 100% obedient to His Father, God.

Jesus also said He had legions of Angels that could defend Him, anytime He wished.

To the OP
faith, hope, love and charity are required. The Grace of God is required,
and faith without works is useless. We are required to perform works as well,

And be in a State of Grace.
 
1 Peter 3:15 says “always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect”.

Yes, we have hope that we will be with God forever. However, that hope is not based on our obedience, but on Christ’s perfect obedience. Our hope is based on what He has done.
Well said. 👍
 
Christ obedience was not perfect. He doubt before his death: Matthew 27:46 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”.
(Psst… he was quoting Psalm 22. Jews (and Christians!) refer to them by their opening lines. We still do it today: say “The Lord is my shepherd…”, and folks will understand that you’re quoting Psalm 23; say “As the deer longs for streams of water…”, and folks will know you’re quoting Psalm 42. 😉

So, any reasonably-versed Jew, hearing Jesus on the cross, would have understood Him to be quoting the psalm. You might want to read Psalm 22. It contains a prophecy of events on Calvary, and a re-affirmation that God does stand by His beloved people in their times of trial and distress.)
 
Stt , Jesus Christ is God. He could have got down off the cross anytime He wanted. He could have stopped His Passion at any time. Jesus Christ literally gave up His Life. He always had freewill, a choice.

Jesus chose to be 100% obedient to His Father, God.

Jesus also said He had legions of Angels that could defend Him, anytime He wished.

To the OP
faith, hope, love and charity are required. The Grace of God is required,
and faith without works is useless. We are required to perform works as well,

And be in a State of Grace.
Did he really gave up his life? Because he got resurrected so his life came back to him, nothing was given for ever.
 
“Your hope cannot save you”.

What got me wondering, is saying such a phrase “anti-christian” (in a certain sense, since our whole concept of religion is based on “hope”) or is the Christian idea of hope different from the “mainstream” one (and so it does not really count)?
The two notions really are distinct.

When you say, “I hope it doesn’t rain today,” you’re not making any statements about whether you know whether it’ll rain or not. In fact, what you probably mean by it is “I have no clue what the weather will be, but if you asked my preference, I want it not to rain!”

The Christian virtue of hope is different. The virtue of hope is the desire for the kingdom of heaven and the trust that Christ will deliver on His promises. In Romans, Paul writes, “hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance” (Romans 8:24-25).

The virtue of hope takes the promises of faith and trusts they will be received, even if we can’t see their fulfillment with our own eyes right now.

Does that help?
 
The two notions really are distinct.

When you say, “I hope it doesn’t rain today,” you’re not making any statements about whether you know whether it’ll rain or not. In fact, what you probably mean by it is “I have no clue what the weather will be, but if you asked my preference, I want it not to rain!”

The Christian virtue of hope is different. The virtue of hope is the desire for the kingdom of heaven and the trust that Christ will deliver on His promises. In Romans, Paul writes, “hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance” (Romans 8:24-25).

The virtue of hope takes the promises of faith and trusts they will be received, even if we can’t see their fulfillment with our own eyes right now.

Does that help?
Oh, I see. So (correct me if I am wrong) Christian “hope” is the faith and trust in the Lord, because while hope in “other things” is often fallible and often has to clash with the harsh world, hope in Christ is not fallible because…well , because He is the Lord.

So, in a certain sense, my friend was right…“hope can’t save you” indeed…unless such hope is our hope in the Lord.
 
Christian “hope” is the faith and trust in the Lord
The virtues of ‘hope’ and ‘faith’ are related, but ‘hope’ isn’t faith. The two differ. Faith speaks to belief; hope speaks to the trust which springs from that belief.
, because while hope in “other things” is often fallible and often has to clash with the harsh world, hope in Christ is not fallible because…well , because He is the Lord.
In a nutshell, yes.
So, in a certain sense, my friend was right…“hope can’t save you” indeed…unless such hope is our hope in the Lord.
In a sense, perhaps; but probably not in the sense that he intended it. If you were talking about ‘life, death and salvation’, I’m guessing that he meant that your hope in salvation was what cannot save you. So, although I don’t know whether he would have the insight to frame it up in terms of “the theological virtue of hope”, I’m thinking that’s what he was trying to say is not efficacious. (And, of course, Christians would disagree!)
 
Stt , Jesus Christ is God. He could have got down off the cross anytime He wanted. He could have stopped His Passion at any time. Jesus Christ literally gave up His Life. He always had freewill, a choice.

Jesus chose to be 100% obedient to His Father, God.

Jesus also said He had legions of Angels that could defend Him, anytime He wished.

To the OP
faith, hope, love and charity are required. The Grace of God is required,
and faith without works is useless. We are required to perform works as well,

And be in a State of Grace.
So he wanted to be killed by others?
 
Did he really gave up his life? Because he got resurrected so his life came back to him, nothing was given for ever.
Because of Jesus, this is our hope too, that we shall have eternal salvation.
 
Me and a friend of mine were (friendly) discussing existential stuff, life, death, actions, impact of said actiond on our lives ecc… He says, at some point, “Your (not “mine” specifically, a general “you”) hope cannot save you”.

What got me wondering, is saying such a phrase “anti-christian” (in a certain sense, since our whole concept of religion is based on “hope”) or is the Christian idea of hope different from the “mainstream” one (and so it does not really count)?
Most do not understand the concept of hope.
Hope is one of the stages or postions of the Will.

Love is when you have an image of the reality of what you consider a good place to be, a better situation that where you are now.
Desire is when you are in movement toward what you love.
Joy is when you are now in that actual reality that you imagined before, and you are enjoying this current reality.

Hope is when there is a difficult to reach image of the reality you consider a good place to be; you have to move through a lot of transitional realities to achieve the goal.
Those transitional positions are not pleasant places to be, but you go through them to reach the goal of what you desire. These transitional places are termed “means to the end”.
And Hope is when, in spite of the difficulties yet to be endured, you believe you will actually get through them all and reach the desired reality.
An “act of Hope” is when, in a difficult spot, you find the words coming out of your mouth, “I (we) really are going to make it through all this to the goal! I know it!!!”
Your Will puts those words on your lips, to awaken your confidence and strengthen your movement forward. That is how Hope “saves you”, by beefing up your determination to continue through the difficult means until you reach the end.

The virtue of Hope infused in us with the infusion of Grace is that in the atmosphere of our souls, a light shines, a light with the wavelength of Hope, to enlighten the full pathway through all we are proceeding toward the goal. We see the path where others see dead-ends, and then the Will moves our thoughts and mouths to say, “This will succeed!”
 
That doesn’t make any sense. Should we should have just hope because of the sin our ancestors committed?
Do you believe in God, the creator of all that is seen and unseen?

Jesus died that sins will be forgiven, and also this is the hope we have for eternal salvation.
 
Do you believe in God, the creator of all that is seen and unseen?

Jesus died that sins will be forgiven, and also this is the hope we have for eternal salvation.
Why we should not be certain and instead have just hope that we will have eternal salvation?
 
But do you believe in God, the creator of all that is seen and unseen?
I am not certain. I don’t know what creation means therefore I cannot define God.

You believe in God therefore you should be certain instead of having only hope.
 
I am not certain. I don’t know what creation means therefore I cannot define God.
I take creation to mean that God the universe and Life, as we understand it.
You believe in God
Yes I believe, but believing is not the same as total proof.
therefore you should be certain instead of having only hope
I believe, which means I have to trust and hope.
 
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