HORIZONTAL vs. VERTICAL

[naprous]

I’m not a huge fan of On Eagles’ Wings, but not for the reasons expressed so far. I just think it has an appalling tune. Really bad melody.

However, Psalm 90 or 91 (depends on your translation!) is my very favorite psalm of all… Part of the Benedictine service of Compline, which I love very, very much.

I’m not a huge fan of holding hands during the Our Father, but I think the Orans position is highly appropriate, and extremely ancient in practice. How many of you know that kneeling with one’s hands together is a medieval development, which originated in the feudal ceremony by which one man became the “man” of another? It’s not my favorite image of my relationship with God.

Horizontal vs. vertical always makes me think of Romanesque architecture vs. Gothic architecture. While I find a good Gothic church to be an inspiring place, I prefer the gentle returning to earth of the arches of a simple Romanesque church. Gothic always seems to be more proud, and Romanesque more humble. Totally subjective, I know!

Naprous

 

[Bizob]

Psalm 91 Douay-Rheims version

Why is it a different psalm than the other versions?

Textual criticism is a very interesting field. While I’m not an expert, you can find all sorts of things different in all sorts of translations, depending on who did the translating (and when). An interesting example would be the beatitudes in the NJB, versus the NRSV, or NIV, or whathaveyou. The order gets switched around.

And, we should not forget that the numbers on the psalms were interposed later (like chapter and verse, I think anyway.) They were referenced by the first line. Which is why when Jesus says “My God My God why have you forsaken me…” he’s referencing a psalm that, as I recall, has a hopeful ending.

 

[SMHW]

Psalm 91 Douay-Rheims version

Why is it a different psalm than the other versions?

The simple answer is that Psalm 9 in the Douay-Rheims version is generally broken into two psalms, 9 and 10, in other translations. As such, higher numbered psalms differ by one.

If I understand correctly, the Greek version combined the two psalms. The Hebrew version broke them apart.

 

[deogratias]

In addition to that there is one big difference - Not Eagles but Angels shall lift you up in the Douay Version

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[Bobby_Jim]

naprous:

However, Psalm 90 or 91 (depends on your translation!) is my very favorite psalm of all… Part of the Benedictine service of Compline, which I love very, very much.

There is a Trappist Abbey in Iowa near Dubuque that does a wonderful compline service with this psalm each evening, in complete darkness (save for the lamp above the tabernacle). They have a recording of it on their website…

www.newmelleray.org, click on “Liturgy” and then “Compline”.

(If you find that too just too “folksy”, they pray the rest of the hours with more traditional psalm tones and pipe organ.)

 

[naprous]

Thanks, Bobby Jim! I tried to use the link, and then to download the zip file, but there was a problem… It’s possible that it’s because I’m a mac user. But that just doesn’t seem right. After all, Umberto Eco famously declared that Macintoshes are Catholic, and DOS is Protestant!

themodernword.com/eco/eco_mac_vs_pc.html

I have a cd of Compline at Solesmes that I like very much, and another with the Society of St. John the Evangelist in Cambridge, MA (Anglican). Whenever I say/sing Compline, I feel a real sense of peace and quietness of heart.

Naprous

 

[Anzlyne]

I know this is a really old thread, but I just had to tell somebody how sick and tired I felt this morning when we started mass with “All are welcome, all are welcome, all are welcome in this place” ( Haugen) personally I would love it if we would have first hymn be “Holy Holy Holy”