Horowitz: Cases surging in Hawaii – with the strictest mask mandate

[Cathoholic]

Horowitz: Cases surging in Hawaii – with the strictest mask mandate​

Daniel Horowitz · August 12, 2020

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Based on geography, seasonality, and latitude, when it is your turn to get the virus, you will get it. You can’t place a tarp, a mask, or a lockdown in front of a virus, the same way you can’t arrest the movement of a hurricane; you must deal with it with a healthy and functioning society. That is the enduring lesson of what we are seeing throughout the world, where there is zero correlation between human (name removed by moderator)ut and the trend of the virus. Hawaii is the latest example of this phenomenon.

Hawaii might possibly have the strictest lockdown and mask mandates in the country. It is essentially as strict as the Philippines, though without the threat of being shot by police. However, the state has jailed people for violating lockdown orders (while releasing 38% of all its real criminals in jail!). Tourism has been nonexistent, and all remaining visitors were told to quarantine. There has been a mandate in place requiring mask-wearing indoors since April and now even outdoors for the past month – even while jogging!

The result? Cases are surging more than ever – just like in the Philippines, Hong Kong, Israel, Australia, and every southern latitude area with a strict mask mandate and lockdown. . . .

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cases-surging-hawaii-strictest-mask-mandate/

 

[Cathoholic]

The article mentioned Hawaii’s low death per capita.

Did you read the article before commenting?

 

[Trader]

My timeshare cancelled all reservations in Hawaii through August months ago. There is not much point in flying 7 hours for a week in paradise when a two week quarantine was required. I can watch TV at home.

One reason Hawaii has a low death rate is that their population was healthier to begin with. It is easy to get outside and exercise when the weather is nice all the time. They have low rates of obesity and smoking compared to most other states. Both of those are complicating factors when you have a respiratory infection.

 

[Caldera]

From the article:

Like most other countries that engaged in heavy-handed police state tactics, Hawaiians have nothing to show for their lockdown but a crushed economy and lives lost. Sure, they still have a low death rate, but that has nothing to do with stopping the spread with mandates. The spread was not stopped. The low death rate is likely driven by the same theory behind the low death rates in all the Pacific Rim countries – they have a high rate of cross-immunity from persistent coronavirus colds.

 

[umamibella]

Masks are shown to work in reducing the risk greatly.
Do you really want to walk through Covid 19 laden mist at the supermarket.

Anyone answering yes to that is lying.

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

Do you really want to walk through Covid 19 laden mist at the supermarket.

If N-95 masks only filter out 95% of microparticulate matter when used properly (disposed after one use), what makes you so sure you are NOT ALREADY
walking “through Covid 19 laden mist at the supermarket” with hoy polloy cloth masks that are widely overused hanging around someone’s chin??

Especially with the numbers given in the OP.

 

[umamibella]

If N-95 masks only filter out 95% of microparticulate matter when used properly (disposed after one use), what makes you so sure you are NOT ALREADY
walking “through Covid 19 laden mist at the supermarket” with hoy polloy cloth masks that are widely overused hanging around someone’s chin??

Especially with the numbers given in the OP.

The problem with the N 95 mask is not with the filtering out by the person wearing the mask and hoping not to breath covid laden mist in. That is not the problem.

Guess what the problem is leading to this being a dangerous mask ,covid wise.

Lets be sensible here and educational, incase anyone is reading this. It is not helpful to reply with stawmans about other masks.
This is specifically about the N95 madk

 

[Cathoholic]

umamibella . . .

The problem with the N 95 mask is not with the filtering out by the person wearing the mask and hoping not to breath covid laden mist in. That is not the problem. . .
. . . This is specifically about the N95 madk

You missed my point.

My point was a “How much more!” (a fortiori) argument.

 

[umamibella]

My point was a “How much more!” (a fortiori) argument.

Did you answer my question on why n95 masks are dangerous? I dont see it here.

 

[Cathoholic]

Did you answer my question on why n95 masks are dangerous?

No. I don’t even know what your question is.

If you are equating N95 masks with filters to all N95 masks that won’t work.

I am not quite sure what you want??

 

[umamibella]

No. I don’t even know what your question is.

If you are equating N95 masks with filters to all N95 masks that won’t work.

I am not quite sure what you want??

You know if you read my post you will find my question.

 

[Cathoholic]

Cathoholic . . .

No. I don’t even know what your question is.

If you are equating N95 masks with filters to all N95 masks that won’t work.

I am not quite sure what you want??

umamibella . . .

You know if you read my post you will find my question.

I read your question.

Here it is again.

Guess what the problem is leading to this being a dangerous mask ,covid wise.

And I still have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[umamibella]

And I still have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes you do because I responded to this remark of yours:

If N-95 masks only filter out 95% of microparticulate matter when used properly…

with this comment:

The problem with the N 95 mask is not with the filtering out by the person wearing the mask and hoping not to breath covid laden mist in. That is not the problem.

Guess what the problem is leading to this being a dangerous mask ,covid wise.

Then you responded with this:

If you are equating N95 masks with filters to all N95 masks that won’t work.

after I asked this:

why n95 masks are dangerous?

So as I asked you more then once why are n95 masks dangerous to use with this virus.?