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frankpetrucci83
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I should of added that she was a former Catholic, sorry
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ltwin
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Maybe she thinks that is proof that she made the right decision in leaving the Catholic Church, that it is just a human institution.
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frankpetrucci83
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her reason for leaving the church was because when she was a kid, she knew there was a right way but “this wasn’t it”, I pointed out that that was an emotional and personal reason and had nothing to do with actual reality
For example, I hated catechism classes at the time. All the nuns felt very mean etc… but one must realize that the catholic church is the deposit of faith it holds, you can’t have a bad experience with catholics and condemn the whole church anymore than you can have a bad experience with a couple of humans and condemn the whole human race…(haha and no don’t say but that’s what God did with Adam and Eve, har har, i get it, but i’m bein serious here)
it is the power of the office that is protected by the Holy Spirit, but even without getting into the theological intricacies it is still common sense
I had a bad messianic jewish experience, but i recognize that it was and maybe isolated to that congregation, i even stated that
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Yerusalyim
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I’ve not run into the problem you mention. Then again I’ve never been to a strictly Messianic Jewish congregation. As a Catholic I have worshipped with Orthodox, Conservative and Reform Jews. Within the Reform congregation were several Jewish converts to Christianity…one being from a Hasidic family. He told me he avoided the Messianic congregations because a large number of the members were not Jewish converts. Don’t know how true that is but I’ve heard it before.
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KathleenGee
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I would avoid attending them…And the Church really requests that ecumenical dialogue between the Church and Jewish based communities be refrained and allow those in the Church designated to continue on instead.
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oreoboy
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In most Jews opinions (like mine) Messianic Jews are Christians not Jews… Just fyi… This is the position of the State of Israel which has legal authority by law to decide who’s a jew and who is not…
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hazcompat
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Where, in all of this, did you lose your peace?
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Irish_Polock
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Honestly, the whole concept of “Messianic” Judaism is ridiculous.
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Darran
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Yea, it’s more or less just another protestant cult.
That is, when speaking of the churches. Completely different kettle of fish with Hebrew Christians ofc.
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oreoboy
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Your either a Jew or Christian… There is no middle ground… Christianity specifically eliminates some of old Jewish law (which I observe) to try to observe both is silly and well doesn’t make sense… lol
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pismopal
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The early Church was Jewish…all Jewish and we had a messiah so aren’t we the epitamy of “Messianic Judaism?” Just a thought.
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oreoboy
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And then Peter broke the dietary laws… Paul stopped circumcision…The early Church was Jewish…all Jewish and we had a messiah so aren’t we the epitamy of “Messianic Judaism?” Just a thought.
That broke it…
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Yerusalyim
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So if one breaks a commandment they cease to be Jewish? Ouch. My understanding of Paul was that he was faithful to the 613 Commandments his whole life. He didn’t stop circumcision…even had one of his buds circumcised, Timothy. Paul’s was that goyish Christians need not be circumcised…or follow the commandments for that matter…but Paul stongly makes the case that even as a Christian he remained faithful to the Commandments.
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MorningSong51
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It’s true, however - the Messianic congregation does have their formal conversion process, as far as I know the movement would like to have their conversions recognized. “The Supreme Court of Israel ruled in 1989 that Messianic Judaism constituted another religion (it is considered by most Christians and Jews to be a form of Christianity), and that people who had become Messianic Jews were not therefore eligible for Aliyah under the law.” - Another case had the same verdict: The Supreme Court in 1962 upheld the ministry’s definition, since according to the “commonsense” definition of who is a Jew of the “average” Israeli, “a Christian cannot be a Jew.”
Not all conversions are recognized in different movements - in other words: A conversion in accordance with the process of a denomination is not a guarantee of recognition by another denomination.This however, would be difficult because of the fact of other movements - like for example, Conservative Judaism affirms the divinity of halakah, but questions its immutability; Reform Judaism denies the authority of both principles., and also Reconstructionist Judaism - Halakha is not considered binding. These movements are awaiting for the “Law of Return” from the State of Israel and to be redefined, if someone from any of these religious groups decide to live in Israel. The only conversion recognized, if one wants to live in Israel, is Orthodoxy. I think the conservative movement have been making a strong stand on this issue, but the laws since 1948 have changed -
Some other notes: “What would be called “Orthodox” in the diaspora includes what is commonly called dati (“religious”) or haredi (“ultra-Orthodox”) in Israel. The former term includes what is called Religious Zionism or the “National Religious” community (and also Modern Orthodox in US terms), as well as what has become known over the past decade or so as Hardal (haredi-leumi, i.e. “ultra-Orthodox nationalist”), which combines a largely haredi lifestyle with a nationalist (i.e. pro-Zionist) ideology.”
Eventually, I would imagine that these laws would have to change, at some point.
reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
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