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aunteck
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" After two days, he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may
live before him."
live before him."
What does this passage mean for us?
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Luke65
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Great question. Great question! Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums. 
And here’s your answer:
“After two days, he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him.”
“But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years…” (2 Peter 3:8)
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And here’s your answer:“After two days, he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him.”
“But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years…” (2 Peter 3:8)
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Benadam
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So far so good. A day then can be enterpreted as an era. I think there are two era’s between the first Adam and the Second Adam. The age before the flood and the age after. The third age and final age is the age that we are revived and raised up in the Sacramental life that enables us to live before God.
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Luke65
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That’s a good one too.
And of course, this prophecy foreshadowed our Lord’s Resurrection on the third day, which in turn foreshadows our resurrection on Judgment Day. I also think the “revive” part after two thousand years is a reference to the coming Springtime for the Church - the “late rain” - when the true faith will be revived throughout the world.“Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. The farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it, until it gets the early and late rains.” (James 5:7)
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matahari
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“After two days, he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him.”
“But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years…” (2 Peter 3:8
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This was a prophecy for the Israelites . "After two days two thousand years ] he will revive us; on the third day he will raise us up, that we may live before him "
The Nation of Israel was reborn in 1948 after two thousand years.
In John Ch.11 Martha and Mary sent a message to the Lord V.3 " Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick"
V6 So, when he heard that he was sick , he remained two more days in the same place"
V15 " I rejoice on your account that I was not there , that you may believe"
Did Lazarus represent Israel whom the Lord revived after two days two thousand years ] ?:knight1::bible1:
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Luke65
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This is about the General Resurrection: “that we may live before Him.”
“Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them.”” (Revelation 21:1-3)
The “revive” part includes the Jews who will convert during the Springtime, but 1948 was a negative fulfillment of prophecy - there is still no fruit on the fig tree (Matt. 24:32), and there never will be (Matt. 21:19).
Well, Lazarus was actually dead for four days. So if that symbolizes something, then it would have to be the past. For example, four thousand years from Adam to Christ - death to life.
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matahari
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So where does that leave Ezechiel’s prophecy Ch.36 V 24-28
For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries,and will bring you into your own land.And I will pour upon you clean water, and I will cleanse you from all your idols. And I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you .And I will put my spirit in the midst of you, and I will cause you to walk in my commandments.And you shall dwell in the land which I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people and I will be your God.
V34 and the desolate land shall be tilled which before was waste.
Or Paul’s prophecy ? Romans 11:25-29
that a partial blindness only has befallen Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles should enter, and thus all Israel should be saved…for the gifts and the call of God are without repentance.
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Nathan_Wagar
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Both sides can effectively be argued. All Israel can simply refer to “all Israel” in the sense of the Church. Others think it refers to a mass conversion. I have heard good arguments from both sides, and the leading proponents of both have agreed to disagree.
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Luke65
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Well, the first thing for Catholics and all Christians is to interpret the Scriptures the way the Church that gave us the Scriptures does. And the Catholic Church has always taught that the Church is the New Israel - the “Israel of God” (Galatians 6:16). And so to interpret Old Testament prophecies about “Israel”, which have their fulfillment under the New Covenant, as the earthly nation of Israel makes Scripture contradict Scripture, and so the literal interpretation is untenable. Certain Protestants disparagingly call this “Replacement Theology”, but it is simply the truth. And this is why they can’t understand the prophecies. But the knowledge of the secrets of the Kingdom have been given to you. So when you see “Israel” or “Jerusalem” etc., understand that this is about the Church; and when you see “Gentiles”, understand that this is about the unbelieving world. As far as the passage in Romans goes, look at how St. Paul began his discourse on the Jews and the Church:
So where does that leave Ezechiel’s prophecy Ch.36 V 24-28
For I will take you from among the Gentiles, and will gather you together out of all the countries,and will bring you into your own land.And I will pour upon you clean water, and I will cleanse you from all your idols. And I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you .And I will put my spirit in the midst of you, and I will cause you to walk in my commandments.And you shall dwell in the land which I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people and I will be your God.
V34 and the desolate land shall be tilled which before was waste.
Or Paul’s prophecy ? Romans 11:25-29
that a partial blindness only has befallen Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles should enter, and thus all Israel should be saved…for the gifts and the call of God are without repentance.
“It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.” (Romans 9:6-8)
So when Paul says, “all Israel will be saved”, he can only be talking about the Church - the Ark of Salvation - Jew and Gentile alike, because “God does not show favoritism.” (Romans 2:11) Also notice that Paul says this is a “mystery”:
“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved…” (Romans 11:25-26)
Notice that Paul switches from natural Israel to spiritual Israel, just like he did in the previous quote. And so the mystery is this: during the Springtime for the Church the last remnant of “Gentiles” will come into the Church, and the last remnant of Jews will come into the Church, and then the Church will be complete: “And in this way all Israel will be saved” - that is actually how it should be translated. Interpret the prophecies this way, and they will become much more clear. If you don’t have good orthodox Catholic Bible study, you might want to use Fr. Haydock’s commentary. God bless.
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matahari
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Paul’s prophecy does seem to center round the Church, but Ezechiel speaks of restoring them to their own land given them by God.
Gentiles were non-Jews
In Luke Ch. 22 Jesus says
“And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the gentiles , until the times of the nations be fulfilled.”
In our own day with globalisation and the New World Order looming the times of the Nations national sovreignty ] are coming to an end
Against all odds Jerusalem was reclaimed by the Jews in 1967
I’ve seen inspirational programs on christian TV about God’s miraculous protection of the jews as they reclaimed the land God gave them for a perpetual inheritance.:shamrock2::bible1:
" Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ " Saint Jerome
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