House Passes Complete Ban on Taxpayer Funding of Abortions

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Yes, that’s good news, certainly! A step in the right direction. But, isn’t it less than fully effective as long as our government still funds Planned parenthood who funnels money to funding abortion?
 
Yes, that’s good news, certainly! A step in the right direction. But, isn’t it less than fully effective as long as our government still funds Planned parenthood who funnels money to funding abortion?
Mr Obama has, according to WH spokespeople, threatened to veto.😦

If it’s passed…Planned Parenthood’s books would be more available.
 
Yes, that’s good news, certainly! A step in the right direction. But, isn’t it less than fully effective as long as our government still funds Planned parenthood who funnels money to funding abortion?
Once again,** Planned Parenthood does not use any Federal money for abortion**. Once again, of all the monies Planned Parenthood receives, from government, from grants, from private donations, as a non-profit, those monies are all subject to regulation and scrutiny Less then 10% of any PP locations budget is for abortion. Far more than 10% of their income is from other sources. The money is all handled with strict adherence to law and regulation, placed in separate bank accounts.

PP has no motive whatsoever to use those Federal monies for abortion. None, Zip, Nada. They don’t need it at all and would never risk losing money that funds medical care and cancer screening and education, which is over 90% of what they do.

That they use Fed money for abortion is a myth at best and propaganda at worst.

If you take Federal money from PP, all you do is hurt the poor women, teens and even men with no other health care alternatives. You stop cancer screening, STD testing, school programs, and yes, you stop them from providing free birth control to people who don’t believe what we believe. That’s freedom of religion in our country.

How do I know? My daughter is a non-profit specialist who presently works for Planned Parenthood and millions of dollars pass through her hands every year. Her first response to this was, “Wow, if we could just lump all the money together and use it any way we want I’d save a LOT of time!”

They even divide up the portion of the utility bills that are used on the day they do abortion procedures and pay with separate funds.
 
If it’s passed…Planned Parenthood’s books would be more available.
Oh fer the luvva Pete it’s a* non-profit*! Every state has rules about the books of non-profits being available for public inspection,. Just how that happens varies by state, but here’s an idea: call your local chapter of Planned Parenthood, speak to someone in the business office and find out how a citizen can see their financials. If they don’t know, ask to speak to the CFO or COO.

It’s not a secret, people. The books can’t get more available.
 
Oh fer the luvva Pete it’s a* non-profit*! Every state has rules about the books of non-profits being available for public inspection,. Just how that happens varies by state, but here’s an idea: call your local chapter of Planned Parenthood, speak to someone in the business office and find out how a citizen can see their financials. If they don’t know, ask to speak to the CFO or COO.

It’s not a secret, people.
Oh fer the luvva Pete 🙂

Why would I trust information from an organization who thinks / sells it’s services / itself as Social Justice Issues Responsible - When they deny the most innocent of society - protection?

Side question: Is your daughter Catholic?
 
Once again,** Planned Parenthood does not use any Federal money for abortion**. Once again, of all the monies Planned Parenthood receives, from government, from grants, from private donations, as a non-profit, those monies are all subject to regulation and scrutiny Less then 10% of any PP locations budget is for abortion. Far more than 10% of their income is from other sources. The money is all handled with strict adherence to law and regulation, placed in separate bank accounts.

PP has no motive whatsoever to use those Federal monies for abortion. None, Zip, Nada. They don’t need it at all and would never risk losing money that funds medical care and cancer screening and education, which is over 90% of what they do.

That they use Fed money for abortion is a myth at best and propaganda at worst.

If you take Federal money from PP, all you do is hurt the poor women, teens and even men with no other health care alternatives. You stop cancer screening, STD testing, school programs, and yes, you stop them from providing free birth control to people who don’t believe what we believe. That’s freedom of religion in our country.

How do I know? My daughter is a non-profit specialist who presently works for Planned Parenthood and millions of dollars pass through her hands every year. Her first response to this was, “Wow, if we could just lump all the money together and use it any way we want I’d save a LOT of time!”

They even divide up the portion of the utility bills that are used on the day they do abortion procedures and pay with separate funds.
Then, if this is true, You would support Mr Obama TO sign this bill? 🤷

AND we can expect Planned Parenthood, ** AS WELL , to Ask Mr Obama ** to sign it?

Should be no objections - correct?
 
Then, if this is true, You would support Mr Obama TO sign this bill? 🤷

AND we can expect Planned Parenthood, ** AS WELL , to Ask Mr Obama ** to sign it?

Should be no objections - correct?
I haven’t read the Bill and I find my government to be essentially crooked and corrupt and wonder what might be tacked onto it, but if all it does is reiterate no Federal money for abortions, I’m all for it. BUT - there have to be caveats for poor women who are in need of medical abortions, as in times when a fetus is no longer viable, which we would call dead, stuff like that. Otherwise, all for it.

Do you have the text of the bill? Could we have a link? They might have tacked something onto it, you don’t want to have passed, either, you know.
 
I haven’t read the Bill and I find my government to be essentially crooked and corrupt and wonder what might be tacked onto it, but if all it does is reiterate no Federal money for abortions, I’m all for it. BUT - there have to be caveats for poor women who are in need of medical abortions, as in times when a fetus is no longer viable, which we would call dead, stuff like that. Otherwise, all for it.

Do you have the text of the bill? Could we have a link? They might have tacked something onto it, you don’t want to have passed, either, you know.
Glad you asked 🙂

Text of HR 3
opencongress.org/bill/112-h3/text
 
You can pull up the actual IRS forms yourself from your state AGs office website… its a non profit -

geesh …
 
You can pull up the actual IRS forms yourself from your state AGs office website… its a non profit -

geesh …
Sooooo…They Planned Parenthood ] should be behind passing this legislation as it doesn’t effect them?? 🤷
 
If they want my support, and they could care less what I think, they have to rewrite this to exclude the part I bolded, unless we’ve decided that something as vague as “threatened” can be cause of action for a court. It the AG has evidence of wrongdoing fine, if a bunch of people like the ones on this board want to say, “I think they’re cheating” forget it. Make it more specific. That’s my only issue.

‘SECec. 311. NO GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CERTAIN HEALTH CARE ENTITIES.o government discrimination against certain health care entities
Code:
  ‘(a) Nondiscrimination- A Federal agency or program, and any State or local government that receives Federal financial assistance (either directly or indirectly), may not subject any individual or institutional health care entity to discrimination on the basis that the health care entity does not provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortions.

  ‘(b) Health Care Entity Defined- For purposes of this section, the term ‘health care entity’ includes an individual physician or other health care professional, a hospital, a provider-sponsored organization, a health maintenance organization, a health insurance plan, or any other kind of health care facility, organization, or plan. 

  ‘(c) Remedies- 
        ‘(1) IN GENERAL- The courts of the United States shall have jurisdiction to prevent and redress actual **or threatened violations** of this section by issuing any form of legal or equitable relief, including-- 

              ‘(A) injunctions prohibiting conduct that violates this section; and 
              ‘(B) orders preventing the disbursement of all or a portion of Federal financial assistance to a State or local government, or to a specific offending agency or program of a State or local government, until such time as the conduct prohibited by this section has ceased. 

        ‘(2) COMMENCEMENT OF ACTION- An action under this subsection may be instituted by-- 

              ‘(A) any health care entity that has standing to complain of an actual or threatened violation of this section; or

              ‘(B) the Attorney General of the United States.
 
Sooooo…They Planned Parenthood ] should be behind passing this legislation as it doesn’t effect them?? 🤷
Well, I’m not a lawyer but I didn’t see anything that affects PP, but be “behind passing” it? I doubt it, as it interferes with the freedom of choice guaranteed by the Supreme Court in that it discriminates against poor women who are mostly women of color. I think they’ll disagree on social justice grounds and that would be why Obama would veto, but I doubt it will stand up under the first court challenge at the lowest level, anyway.

Come to think of it, it’ll just drive more women to PP for services as those women on Federal assistance won’t have coverage and PP will provide abortion services on a sliding scale or even free in some cases.

I don’t know what you think this will do, Kimmie, but I don’t see it as helping anyone do anything effective about abortion.
 
Well, I’m not a lawyer but I didn’t see anything that affects PP, but be “behind passing” it? I doubt it, as it interferes with the freedom of choice guaranteed by the Supreme Court in that it discriminates against poor women who are mostly women of color. I think they’ll disagree on social justice grounds and that would be why Obama would veto, but I doubt it will stand up under the first court challenge at the lowest level, anyway.

Come to think of it, it’ll just drive more women to PP for services as those women on Federal assistance won’t have coverage and PP will provide abortion services on a sliding scale or even free in some cases.

I don’t know what you think this will do, Kimmie, but I don’t see it as helping anyone do anything effective about abortion.
I see you missed the whole point of this bill.🙂

It’s the title of this thread:

In Part:
Ban on Taxpayer Funding of Abortions
It does NOT interfere with anyones rights…UNLESS, you think you have a right to force taxpayers to pay for** elective abortions**. Taxpayers, who by poll results, overwhelmingly say they do not want to fund elective abortions with their taxes

🤷🤷
 
Simply put folks:

Can you force me to get an abortion?

Then why do you think you can make me pay for - your elected abortion ???

 
I see …
No, I don’t think you do. 🤷
It does NOT interfere with anyones rights…UNLESS, you think you have a right to force taxpayers to pay for** elective abortions**. Taxpayers, who by poll results, overwhelmingly say they do not want to fund elective abortions with their taxes
Taxpayers by poll might say all types of things, and who cares? “Taxpayers” didn’t want to give up their slaves, their all-white neighborhoods, their all male jobs. You pay for all kinds of things you aren’t aware of and no one has asked your opinion about. You don’t have a clue what you pay for. My government forces me to pay for all sorts of things I hate, for organized sins against God’s children. But at least I know it. You think they are doing this because of your petitions and protests? Because they care what you think? They could care less.

But someone wanted you to demonize PP in your eyes and and keep you from finding out things for yourself. Because then you’d know how many politicians, Catholic ones, too, own escort agencies and have an interest in the abortion clinics they use to service women who are tantamount to slaves. Are slaves, actually, many of them under 18. They can’t go to Planned Parenthood, they can’t go because by law PP would report them as sex workers, call social services for the pregnant 11 year olds, call immigration for the Russians and Asians and South Americans. Of course, they can’t go anywhere, they can’t go to a grocery store, they don’t go anyplace at all. They are taken.

But while so many are so confidently assuring themselves that they are doing God’s work, while protesters walk safely in front of PP clinics, they don’t have a clue where the real abortion clinics are, what happens there, that thousands of these women and children spend most of their lives shuttled back and forth between the buildings in which they are housed and work, the hotel rooms and private homes of the men who use and abuse them and the clinics, laughably called such, where they get serviced by whatever passes for a doctor there in urban areas across America.

Planned Parenthood doesn’t use Federal money for abortions, never has and doesn’t need it. And women in this country have the right to choose whether it fits anyone else’s religious beliefs or not. And when a choice is systematically denied to someone because of their socio-economic status, that is discrimination.

Your tax dollars pay for torture, land mines that maim children, and hookers for those politicians you so admire, some of whom signed this Bill. And oh so much more you never will bother to find out about.

The only one of us that missed the “point” of this bill is you. The point is to make you think someone is doing something while nothing gets done. Because, you see, it doesn’t really change one single thing. Federally funded medical insurance doesn’t pay for elective invasive procedures. Federal money has not paid for abortions. It’s a scam. And the victim is you. 🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
 
Praxisizing - re PP… hogwash. That’s a very ignorant statement supporting the largest abortion provider in America… I’m not rising to your provocation.
 
My government forces me to pay for all sorts of things I hate…
Yes, but this is hardly an argument that that sort of thing is always acceptable or that those who oppose specific “sorts of things” shouldn’t try to dry up funding for them.
They can’t go to Planned Parenthood, they can’t go because by law PP would report them as sex workers, call social services for the pregnant 11 year olds, call immigration for the Russians and Asians and South Americans.
I had no idea things were so bad. Goodness, would someone really do something as low as calling social services to help a pregnant 11 year old?
Planned Parenthood doesn’t use Federal money for abortions, never has and doesn’t need it.
I’ve never understood this point either. PP makes a ton of money off abortions, they can surely afford to subsidize abortions for poor women without taking federal funds to make up their lost revenue. Actually, of course, money is fungible so saying they don’t use government money to fund abortions is like saying they put the fed’s money in their left pocket but subsidize abortions with the money in their right pocket.
And women in this country have the right to choose whether it fits anyone else’s religious beliefs or not.
An abortion takes a human life. That’s not a religious belief but a statement of fact; science is pretty unambiguous on that point.
And when a choice is systematically denied to someone because of their socio-economic status, that is discrimination.
I’m missing this point. What choice is being denied to (I assume you mean) poor people? The choice of having an abortion? But they have that choice today and, if your comment about PP not needing federal funds to perform abortions is true, they they will have that choice tomorrow. You don’t seem to believe your own claim about the funding issue.
The point is to make you think someone is doing something while nothing gets done. Because, you see, it doesn’t really change one single thing. Federally funded medical insurance doesn’t pay for elective invasive procedures. Federal money has not paid for abortions.
Well, if nothing will change because of this bill then why are you so opposed to it?

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