How a suicide bomber thinks

[Steveio]

Suicide is against Islam but I often wonder if the Muslims in the Arab world are not getting the message right. It seems Indonesia, Malaysia have some problems with Islam extremists but I think it is more of a Arab culture thing (to have war)

Besides, the Arabs have no more right to the land than anyone else since they were not descendants of the people who had prior claims to the land – they were not descendants of the Philistines or the Canaanites – they were Arabs from Arabia. They conquered that land and now the conquered people re-conquered it from them. So stop whining.

Yes but lets look at it from a non-religious view point, giving a already Arab/Muslim populated to the Jews was not a very good idea. Israel cant coexsist in a Muslim world, I am not saying that it will be destroyed but there will always be violence.

I have read the Quran – that is worse than anything Hitler ever thought of.

Umm have you read the Bible, hasnt anything in the Old Testament shocked you?

I am reading the Quran as well and it is not that bad I think it is the Hadith or the Sunnah which is not included in the Quran is were most of the extreme stuff comes from.

 

[Maryam]

To Maryam, those Israeli women should consider what the President of Iran said today. That if we would all just kill the Jews then the world would be a better place. You would think that Jews would take Islamic threats seriously esp. when they deny and then say they want another holocaust.

You read my post wrong. I gave an example of ONE Israeli mother whose daughter was killed in a suicide bombing and now works as a peace activist. Then I gave links to Israeli groups working for peace with Palestinians, Israeli solidiers refusing to serve in the Israeli army, and other Jews (male & female) that are against what the state/army of Israel are doing.

I don’t see how the rantings of the president of Iran has anything to do with a thread about a Palestinian grandmother that became a suicide bomber. The president of Iran is a puppet, everybody in Iran knows that the religious leader of Iran is the man with the power.

God bless

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Suicide is against Islam but I often wonder if the Muslims in the Arab world are not getting the message right. It seems Indonesia, Malaysia have some problems with Islam extremists but I think it is more of a Arab culture thing (to have war)

But not during a jihad. Non-believers often fall for this line but we know that suicide during a jihad is permissible.

Steveio:

Yes but lets look at it from a non-religious view point, giving a already Arab/Muslim populated to the Jews was not a very good idea. Israel cant coexsist in a Muslim world, I am not saying that it will be destroyed but there will always be violence.

The Egyptians and Jordanians accept Israel’s right to exist and hence there is no longer any violence between those countries. What’s the problem?

Steveio:

Umm have you read the Bible, hasnt anything in the Old Testament shocked you?

Firstly it is tu quoque. Secondly, it is either descriptive or the Jews don’t follow Leviticus-type verses any more. Or the Christians don’t follow the OT any more since Jesus brought the NT.

Steveio:

I am reading the Quran as well and it is not that bad I think it is the Hadith or the Sunnah which is not included in the Quran is were most of the extreme stuff comes from.

What makes you think the sahih hadiths are wrong?

Why do you think surah 9 is not extreme? Surat 9:29 is Allah’s command for all Muslims to kill/massacre/fight disbelievers until they submit to Muslim rule and pay the Jizyah in humiliation.

I, for one, don’t want to live under Islamic domination nor be killed for not believing in Allah.

 

[cestusdei]

Maryam, it shows the common attitude that leads to grandma’s trying to blow people up. I can post plenty of similiar items if you wish. Go to www.memri.org and see what Hamas puts on TV for grandma to watch. Listen as they call for the death of all Jews. If I were Jewish and people spoke that way I would pay attention.

 

[cestusdei]

steve, you just haven’t got to the good parts yet. Note that the OT never led Israel to try and conquer the world. In Indonesia Christians have been butchered by the thousand by Muslims. Violence against other faiths is part of Islam wherever it goes. The reason why there will always be fighting against Israel is not that it exists, but that the Muslims are determined to kill all the Jews there. It is the Muslim hate that causes the violence. As long as they hold on to it then there will be no peace. Once they accept Israels right to exist and cease terrorism then the fighting will stop.

 

[Maryam]

Maryam, it shows the common attitude that leads to grandma’s trying to blow people up. I can post plenty of similiar items if you wish. Go to www.memri.org and see what Hamas puts on TV for grandma to watch. Listen as they call for the death of all Jews. If I were Jewish and people spoke that way I would pay attention.

You can post it if you like but it wouldn’t be anything new to me as I have seen this kind of stuff before. I have also seen the other side of it where Fanatical Jews call for the deaths of Palestinians as well.

Does it make it right? no…but that doesn’t mean that I am still not going to look at the root of the problem.

I am very sure that the Israeli Jews that are working for peace are very educated as to the situation in their own countries and don’t need pointed out to them what Hamas is saying…

One very out-spoken American Jew who risks his life to show solidarity with Palestinians is Adam Shapiro who help found with his Palestinian wife the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) palsolidarity.org/main/ which has branches all throughout the world and sends teams to the West Bank and Gaza through non-violent means to defend the rights of Palestinians. Some of its members having been killed by the Israeli army.

Adam Shapiro’s family have even received death threats by fanatical Jews because of his work.

I think its easy to point fingers and not look at the root of the problem. You can’t cure a disease unless you get to its source first. All you will end up doing is putting a bandage on a deep wound that keeps re-opening… and is only a temporary solution.

God bless

 

[cestusdei]

The source is Islam which has taught hatred of Jews since the beginning. By rights the Palestinians mean the right to throw the Jews into the sea. They admit this themselves. Ask any what the “final solution” to the Jewish problem is. The answer is “destroy Israel.” How can you make peace when the enemy wants to achieve it by killing you? Israel is not obligated to commit suicide to stop suicide bombers.

 

[Maryam]

The source is Islam which has taught hatred of Jews since the beginning. By rights the Palestinians mean the right to throw the Jews into the sea. They admit this themselves. Ask any what the “final solution” to the Jewish problem is. The answer is “destroy Israel.” How can you make peace when the enemy wants to achieve it by killing you? Israel is not obligated to commit suicide to stop suicide bombers.

I refuse to fall into labeling a whole people as thinking this or that way. In the end you as well as everyone else will have to answer to God. I guess love your enemy means nothing right? Just lump everyone together or say there is no solution and throw away the key.

And you are just going around in circles and not wanting to face the fact that there are** ISRAELI JEWS** who are against what is being done to the Palestinians and who are informed of what their government/army is doing and despite Hamas or suicide bombers are still willing to extend their hands out to their Palestinian brothers/sisters and as Jews act better than some so called Christians (myself included) in doing what we as Christians are suppose to do and have my utmost respect.

I unlike you won’t lump any one people regardless of religion as being this or that way automatically.

Think as you wish… but I know that in the end everything I have ever thought or have done will be accounted for when I am judged by my Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless

 

[porkscratchings]

Christianity has been dominent and peaceful before. In fact the pagans were the persecutors in the beginning. Paganism didn’t lose because we persecuted them. It lost because Christianity was more attractive. See Rodney Starks book on the Rise of Christianity. The Church in fact exhibited a real restraining effect on violence. Islam on the other hand embraced violence early on and hasn’t quit.

Constantine btw didn’t make Christianity the State religion. He just made it legal in the Edict of Milan. It was Theodosius that made it the official religion in 380 AD.

So it is “hate” to want to preach freely? Muslims preach freely in the US. Is that hate? Should we make them stop? They have already threatened to nuke us if we don’t convert, isn’t that hate? You must be a Muslim if you think religious freedom is “hate.” Oh and hi pro, new name eh?

Let me address both u and Mr. Bivar. I AM NOT MUSLIM.

In fact, I’m an atheist - if the both of u have bothered to check my profile, u would have found this out. It just proves my opinion that pple who hate without thinking are also thick.

As for Christianity’s hatred towards Jews and other non-believers and how the text of the bible itself incites hatred and murder against jews, try reading ‘Antisemitism: myth and hate from antiquity to the present’ by Marvin Perry and Frederick Schweizer. The 2nd author is an expert witness in numerous court cases involving hate crime esp. anti-semitism. The book correctly demonstrates that the NT doesn’t have to tell followers to kill jews when hate is expressed in virtually every passage involving Jews in such a aggressive manner, that any Christian would hate Jews and wish to do them harm. The Church Fathers added their voice to the humiliation and destruction of Jews.

Call me names if u want - it does not help u cover the fact u r in denial about the worst aspects of ur beliefs. The fact that u have learned nothing since the holocaust on the dangers of fermenting hatred against other pple, just tells me what kind of religion u have.

Neither of u have anything to say about the atrocities committed by Christianity in all its forms, preferring to blame the pagans and now the muslims. I would expect any decent person to condemn both Christians and muslims for the hate and murder committed to other pple. Not point the finger at everyone else.

Religious freedom is not hate - hate is what both of u have done by tarnishing all muslims by the actions of a terrorist minority.

Cestusdei - U haven’t answered my q: U posted on another thread that u want to go to Mecca and desecrate the Ka’aba. If u r capable of such hate as to want to hurt all muslims (not just those who commit terrorism) while u have no power, what would u dare to do if u had lots of power? Nuke the Ka’aba perhaps?

BTW - porkscratchings is made from pig’s skin. Pigs r unclean to muslims and no muslim would call themselves by anything pork related. Just goes to show u guys know nothing about Islam, and anything u know u got from misunderstanding Islam. Not that u’ll care as long as get a load of pple to back up ur hate.

 

[porkscratchings]

I refuse to fall into labeling a whole people as thinking this or that way. In the end you as well as everyone else will have to answer to God. I guess love your enemy means nothing right? Just lump everyone together or say there is no solution and throw away the key.

And you are just going around in circles and not wanting to face the fact that there are** ISRAELI JEWS** who are against what is being done to the Palestinians and who are informed of what their government/army is doing and despite Hamas or suicide bombers are still willing to extend their hands out to their Palestinian brothers/sisters and as Jews act better than some so called Christians (myself included) in doing what we as Christians are suppose to do and have my utmost respect.

I unlike you won’t lump any one people regardless of religion as being this or that way automatically.

Think as you wish… but I know that in the end everything I have ever thought or have done will be accounted for when I am judged by my Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless

Thank u v much for ur post.

I was starting to think I was the only person who cares that a whole group of pple is being blamed, not just the terrorists.

I think it is important that we treat pple fairly, regardless of whether we like them or not, regardless of whether they are the same religion as us or not. This is living the principle of doing ‘unto others as we would have them do unto us’.

 

[cestusdei]

Maryam, I would be happy to be wrong. But I am not. The total lack of protest by Muslim of Muslim atrocities proves me right. If you doubt me then visit www.memri.org. It’s not like Islam hides its hatred for Jews.

 

[cestusdei]

Let me address both u and Mr. Bivar. I AM NOT MUSLIM.

In fact, I’m an atheist - if the both of u have bothered to check my profile, u would have found this out. It just proves my opinion that pple who hate without thinking are also thick.

As for Christianity’s hatred towards Jews and other non-believers and how the text of the bible itself incites hatred and murder against jews, try reading ‘Antisemitism: myth and hate from antiquity to the present’ by Marvin Perry and Frederick Schweizer. The 2nd author is an expert witness in numerous court cases involving hate crime esp. anti-semitism. The book correctly demonstrates that the NT doesn’t have to tell followers to kill jews when hate is expressed in virtually every passage involving Jews in such a aggressive manner, that any Christian would hate Jews and wish to do them harm. The Church Fathers added their voice to the humiliation and destruction of Jews.

Call me names if u want - it does not help u cover the fact u r in denial about the worst aspects of ur beliefs. The fact that u have learned nothing since the holocaust on the dangers of fermenting hatred against other pple, just tells me what kind of religion u have.

Neither of u have anything to say about the atrocities committed by Christianity in all its forms, preferring to blame the pagans and now the muslims. I would expect any decent person to condemn both Christians and muslims for the hate and murder committed to other pple. Not point the finger at everyone else.

Religious freedom is not hate - hate is what both of u have done by tarnishing all muslims by the actions of a terrorist minority.

Cestusdei - U haven’t answered my q: U posted on another thread that u want to go to Mecca and desecrate the Ka’aba. If u r capable of such hate as to want to hurt all muslims (not just those who commit terrorism) while u have no power, what would u dare to do if u had lots of power? Nuke the Ka’aba perhaps?

BTW - porkscratchings is made from pig’s skin. Pigs r unclean to muslims and no muslim would call themselves by anything pork related. Just goes to show u guys know nothing about Islam, and anything u know u got from misunderstanding Islam. Not that u’ll care as long as get a load of pple to back up ur hate.

Porks, or should I say pro. Nice move to avoid the topic of the thread and not even deal with it. Instead the typical tactic of shifting the blame. You need to go back centuries to attack us. I can read todays paper and find Muslims attacking Jews. You mention the holocaust. Muslims either deny it or are sorry it wasn’t completed. In fact the President of Iran says he wants to finish the job. If you are an atheist and not pro, which I doubt, then I can point out the massive atheist massacres of the 20th century. You are the only ones who make the Muslims look good.

I want to desecrate the kaaba? Oh by praying in a country where Christians are murdered for praying? You are far more concerned with my exercise of freedom of religion then Muslims murdering Christians. How interesting pro. Ah and the “nuke” reference. Come pro, let’s be obvious shall we? The pig thing was a good idea, but you make it to easy pro. Nice try, but same tactics, same ideas, same words, same pro.

 

[djamu]

i thought like that at one time, but now I think its ridiculous. I thought like that because I was severely psychotic, depressed and autistic and not receiving proper psychiatric help. Now that I am, I feel sorry for te peeps who think like that.

 

[cestusdei]

I am sorry, but you are going to have to be more specific about what you mean.

 

[latin_rite]

If she was the only suicide bomber out there I would say it was an isolated incident, but she isn’t. pro will find any excuse to justify terrorism. Hamas IS a terrorist group. Every terrorist group claims it is just retaliating against those evil Jews and Americans. But where is pro when they blow up a pizza joint and kill Jewish children? Silence. Yet the IDF won’t shoot at women who go out to rescue terrorists and they know it. Just today the IDF did not bomb a terrorist target because, after WARNING civilians to stay clear, they didn’t and so the IDF didn’t bomb. When was the last time we saw Muslims call off an operation because innocents would get hurt? I know…never.

I think if you researched that incident several women were killed by the IDF, on that day. i know because i saw news footage of it. Coming here and reading what you people say, sugest to me that the American media is very heavly censored.
And no i’m not in favour of hamas nor israel. I’m just a plain old Catholic, who has seen murder commited by both sides. Stupid is what i say. There will never be a peaceful outcome until both sides grow and stop acting like spoiled children.
Also as a follower of Christ i think people who aren’t involved should stop making excuses for the murder all involved, because i feel in Gods eyes as is just as much a sin as commiting it

 

[cestusdei]

Censored? Dont’ be ridiculous. The anti-Israel lobby firmly controls the news media. But if you like go to youtube. There you will find video’s of Islamic atrocities. Muslims target pizza shops, schools, and other such places…on purpose. If there were no suicide bombers there would be no wall and life would be easier on everyone. Jews don’t have to allow themselves to be blown up so that we can feel sorry for them.

 

[Maryam]

Maryam, I would be happy to be wrong. But I am not. The total lack of protest by Muslim of Muslim atrocities proves me right. If you doubt me then visit www.memri.org. It’s not like Islam hides its hatred for Jews.

What is it with you posting the same link over and over? I told you I have already seen stuff such as the link you posted, it is nothing new for me and I have also seen the other side of fanatical Jews calling for the death of Palestinians.

And you are not proving anything… Do you live in the Middle East and know each and every single Muslim? I highly doubt it.

Do you just rush through a post without properly reading it? It sure seems that way in your total disregard for what I have written. In your previous response to me you said I wrote about Israeli women when I only wrote of one woman.

If your going to interact with people on a forum at least give them the respect to read properly what they post.

God bless

 

[cestusdei]

I don’t see fanatical Jews as much of a threat. However, Islamic fanaticism is a threat to everyone. Do I know them all? No, but I do notice that they danced on 911 and that they never seem to protest against terrorist attacks against us. Go back to the first post. Read what is common in Islamic thought. I post that link to show what they see on TV everyday. The Jews just want to be left alone in Israel. They are surrounded by enemies who crave their death. The reason there is no peace there is not because of the Jews, but because of the Muslims. Their view is that Jews and Christians are naturally inferior and should act that way. When we don’t then they seem to go insane. That’s what this thread is about.

 

[Maryam]

I don’t see fanatical Jews as much of a threat. However, Islamic fanaticism is a threat to everyone. Do I know them all? No, but I do notice that they danced on 911 and that they never seem to protest against terrorist attacks against us. Go back to the first post. Read what is common in Islamic thought. I post that link to show what they see on TV everyday. The Jews just want to be left alone in Israel. They are surrounded by enemies who crave their death. The reason there is no peace there is not because of the Jews, but because of the Muslims. Their view is that Jews and Christians are naturally inferior and should act that way. When we don’t then they seem to go insane. That’s what this thread is about.

I don’t need to go back to the first post or to see what you think is common in Islamic thought. **I have been to Israel and the West Bank so I don’t need to be told what the Israeli’s or Palestinians want. **

This thread if you haven’t read your own title is “How a suicide bomber thinks”…Not your opinion of what YOU think is in the mind and hearts of all the PEOPLE OF ONE RELIGION which is not based on fact but your own feelings. I don’t smear a whole people based on the actions of others.

I think people need to first pull the plank out of their own eye before pointing out the plank in their brothers eye.

And why do I get the feeling that the same link will be posted by you yet again.

I don’t need a lesson from you on this topic. God helps us when even our own religious cannot find mercy in their hearts and see the heart of the law as just so much stone.

God bless

 

[cestusdei]

I have been there too. I was on an Israeli bus when an unattended bag was found. Want to know how people felt? In the West Bank the Christians told me that the Muslims were taking over their land, raping their women, and persecuting them. Some of them said they preferred Israeli rule over the PLO. There are no Jewish or Christian suicide bombers. Only Muslim ones.

To be fair I will give you different links:

www.westernresistance.com

www.thereligionofpeace.com