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PJM
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How my friends, if your not a Catholic, are your sins forgiven and on what basis?
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steido01
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I can take your question in several ways. Are you asking ‘how’ in the theological sense, or ‘how’ by what method or tradition?
As a Lutheran, I believe my sins are forgiven by Christ Jesus, on the basis of his suffering and death on the cross.
We Lutherans, being sacramental Christians, receive forgiveness via Confession and Absolution. This is usually done corporately (during the Mass, and using much the same wording spoken at Roman Catholic Mass), but can be done privately (one-on-one with a priest/confessor). Some Lutherans consider Confession and Absolution to be a sacrament on its own, while others consider it to be a continuation of Holy Baptism. In either case, there is a sacramental element to the act.
So to answer your question simply: my sins are forgiven in much the same way as yours.
As a Lutheran, I believe my sins are forgiven by Christ Jesus, on the basis of his suffering and death on the cross.
We Lutherans, being sacramental Christians, receive forgiveness via Confession and Absolution. This is usually done corporately (during the Mass, and using much the same wording spoken at Roman Catholic Mass), but can be done privately (one-on-one with a priest/confessor). Some Lutherans consider Confession and Absolution to be a sacrament on its own, while others consider it to be a continuation of Holy Baptism. In either case, there is a sacramental element to the act.
So to answer your question simply: my sins are forgiven in much the same way as yours.
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Facite
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Well, my understanding for Jews is that their sins are forgiven on the holy day of Yom Kippur (also known as the Day of Atonement.)
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catholictiger
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same way Catholics are forgiven through the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ. If someone has a truly contrite heart and through no fault of their own they can’t get to confession or haven’t been shown the fullness of the Catholic Truth so they are following the truth that has been reveled to them whole heartedly God in his infinite mercy will forgiven them.
I would say this, confession is the ordinary way for forgiveness of sins. there are plenty of extraordinary ways of forgiving sin but if you can do the ordinary it should be done.
I would say this, confession is the ordinary way for forgiveness of sins. there are plenty of extraordinary ways of forgiving sin but if you can do the ordinary it should be done.
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runningdude
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Either, they do not understand they are sinning, and thus not culpable to mortal sin (thus need no forgiveness), or they make an act of perfect contrition. We must pray that either situation may save them!
In some cases, an adult may receive baptism for the first time, and then all previous sins are vanquished.
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peace2u2
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Non-Catholics sins are forgiven the same way Catholics sins are forgiven. By confessing to God with a contrite and repentant heart.
In the Catholic faith, we have been given a gift called the Sacrament of Confession also known as the Sacrament of Penance and/or the Sacrament of Reconcililation because this Sacrament does all 3 of those things. I also don’t have to wonder if God has forgiven me when I confess “privately” to God and that is why when I can verbally hear my own voice confess to God before His priestly representative, I know for a fact that I have been forgiven because I can hear His priest tell me so. I no longer have to wonder, I know that I have been forgiven.
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ufamtobie
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Steido,
Jesus Christ has the Power to forgive sins anywhere, but to say, as you stated above: “my sins are forgiven in much the same way as yours”. That is false, your sins in the Lutheran church are not forgiven in much in the same way the Catholics sins are forgiven, we are forgiven by the Successors of the Apostles, The Lutherans are not. We Catholics know that are sins are forgiven when we confess our sin in the Church when we hear Your sins are forgiven go in peace, by a Catholic Priest Aa Successor of the Apostles.
It is always safe to walk with and abide in the Church founded on Rock and be able to have our sins forgiven by a Successor of the Apostles who were given the Authority to to forgive sins and to bind them, if need be, by the laying on of hands. Only they the Successors can forgive sins through Jesus Christ. This being the truth therefore we Catholic know without a doubt, that our sins are forgiven and knowing this therefore for we Catholics truly “go in peace”.
Above, you seem to take pride that the Lutheran church is almost like the Catholic Church, but it is not, it is only a copy without the fulness of Grace. Which would you prefer to caress and hold the copy of the Shroud of Turin with a cloth dated in the 15th century or would you prefer to caress and hold the actual Shroud of Turin, which was the actual burial Cloth of Christ, which contains His Blood His marks etc… which has withstood the test of time for over 2000 years?
Stiedo, There is only one Church that we can caress and Hold onto and have our sins forgiven, for Jesus Christ prefers that we do so, if this was not so, then he would of told us just confess our sins to Him and no other by passing the Successors, but truth is He did not, again, He prefers us to go to His One and Only Church He Himself Established while yet on earth for the forgiveness of our sin and yes yours to. Amen
Steido, do you believe all Protestant Pastor from different faiths can forgive sins as well?
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peace2u2
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I think this is an interesting post. But I think we are being mislead when we say that non-religious people don’t have sins that don’t need to be forgiven the way religious people do.
When we sin, we put wounds on our souls. Sin is like a nail and our soul is like a piece of wood.
When we sin, its like driving a nail through a piece of wood. When you pull a nail out of a piece of wood, the hole remains unless it is patched up.
When we are sorry for our sins and ask for forgiveness, the sin is removed from our soul, but the hole remains.
We can choose to ask God to heal the wounds on our souls in this lifetime (Catholics do this thru the Sacrament of Confession) or these wounds on our souls will be healed before we enter Heaven after we have been purified in purgatory even non-religious people’s soul will be healed of any wounds that have not healed while living on earth.
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steido01
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Apostolic Succession has been discussed in other threads, and I’ll leave it there (somewhere on page 20-something): forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=783849&page=24
I am happy that you receive His peace in Confession and Absolution; I do as well.You misinterpret me; I am proud that your Roman Catholic church is almost like the Lutheran church.
All joking aside, what I mean is that I am very pleased whenever I see the Gospel being rightly proclaimed in another communion - be it Orthodox, Anglican, Roman Catholic or even protestant. Those simple words, “You are forgiven,” are the very Gospel! Why shouldn’t I rejoice when other Christians are practicing and confessing orthodox beliefs? Whenever possible, I think it is fitting and charitable to acknowledge our common ground (especially when one is a Lutheran posting on a largely Roman Catholic forum!
). The need for repentance and the similar practice of Absolution in our respective communions can be a starting block rather than a stumbling block.I think the point you’re driving at will end up returning to our varying understandings of Apostolic Succession, so I’ll simply agree with the Father Connell’s Confraternity Edition of the New Baltimore Catechism: “No man, by his own power and authority, could possibly forgive sins. Only God can do that because sin is an offence against Him.”
His peace be with you,
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gazelam
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The first step is repentance and baptism.
Acts 2:38 (KJV) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
After baptism, repentance needs to continue for subsequent sins.
In the LDS belief small sins (say road rage, for example) need to be confessed to God in prayer and to the wronged party. Major sins (adultery, for example) need to be confessed to the proper priesthood authority, along with the wronged party and to God. Forgiveness assumes that the sinner feel genuine remorse for his actions and stops committing the offending act.
The Book of Mormon tells the story of a man named Alma who committed very grevious acts. Alma tells us how he knew he was forgiven…
Alma 36:18, 19 Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, have mercy on me, who am in the gall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting chains of death.
And now, behold, when I thought this, I could remember my pains no more; yea, I was harrowed up by the memory of my sins no more.
I hope this helps.
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IAmAKaur
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In Sikhi, no rituals can take away sn. Things like taking ritual baths or going to certain places as a pilgrim will not remove sins. Only reflection upon God’s name and his worship will remove sins.
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PJM
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For the sake of discussion:
Why then did Yahweh choose to use Priest in the OT? And Christ follow suit in the NT?
Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering." … Lev.6:7 “and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."
John 20:19-23 "[19] Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. [20] And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord. He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
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Patrick /PJM
Why then did Yahweh choose to use Priest in the OT? And Christ follow suit in the NT?
Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering." … Lev.6:7 “and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty."
John 20:19-23 "[19] Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. [20] And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord. He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
Thanks for posting
Patrick /PJM
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Hearty repentence and true faith.
Absolution by a priest. This is the form in the BCP:
“OUR Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him, of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences: And by his authority committed to me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
Absolution by a priest. This is the form in the BCP:
“OUR Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him, of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences: And by his authority committed to me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
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