How are we saved?

[Dan_Blake]

Gottle of Geer:

The CC sees a distinction between [justification and sanctification], whereas not all specifically Protestant theologies would do so.

That surprises me. In my experience it is just the reverse. I frequently hear Protestants say that Catholics attribute to justification what rightly belongs to sanctification.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Dan Blake:

That surprises me. In my experience it is just the reverse. I frequently hear Protestants say that Catholics attribute to justification what rightly belongs to sanctification.

Thanks for noticing that ​

It was very late when I wrote that - you’re right: Protestantism tends to see them as two distinct stages; RCism doesn’t. ##

 

[Detroit_Sue]

michaelp:

I don’t think this this option is fair.

“By faith alone. I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. Then I can sin all I want and it won’t matter. I don’t have to do any works of love or pray or anything. I can do what I want.”

It shows a great lack of understanding of the Evangelical postition.

Remember, when presenting the postition of another, do it in such a way that they would listen to it and say, “That is exactly what we believe.” Otherwise, it is the very definition of a straw man.

I am looking for an honest answer. Do all Catholics really believe that this is a fair discription of the Evangelical postition of how a person is saved?

Michael

Good morning Michael,

I can tell you that dealing with hard-core fundamentalists, it is EXACTLY accurate. Fundamentalists believe that once you are “saved,” your soul is incapable of sin. I believe that to be a nonsensical statement, however, and somewhat arrogant. Their favorite phrase is, not perfect, just forgiven. They never have to repent of any of their actions once they are saved.

 

[Mystophilus]

cestusdei:

Lot’s of folks misunderstand what Catholics believe about salvations. So what do you think?

In my heretical opinion, salvation is unimportant: that is God’s decision, and, therefore, God’s concern rather than mine. My job is to learn what is right and then do it.

 

[Ignatius]

By grace alone receiving the free gift of sanctifying grace in baptism through the merits of Christ’s passion and death
and cooperating with God’s grace having the virtues of faith, hope, and love which yield good works thereby growing in holiness and persevering to the end.

 

[b_justb]

The question, “Are you saved” was asked of (Orthodox) Bishop Kalistos Ware. His response: I fear I have yet begun to repent.

 

[deb1]

Reading the different posts, it sounds to me that both Catholics and the Protestants on this board have very similar beliefs on salvation(excluding baptism). The big difference seems to be when it comes to OSAS, not how we are saved.

 

[Tonks40]

Ignatius:

By grace alone receiving the free gift of sanctifying grace in baptism through the merits of Christ’s passion and death
and cooperating with God’s grace having the virtues of faith, hope, and love which yield good works thereby growing in holiness and persevering to the end.

Just like he said!