How bare is your Catholicism?

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It is perfectly possible to be a practicing Catholic without asking for the intercession of saints and the BVM. I sometimes pray the Rosary but don’t have a particular devotion towards Mary. I don’t know why, I’m just not feeling it. I understand the dogmas and all but I somehow forget about it. I never remember to ask saints for help. Basically, I pray to God. Nobody has ever told me that is a problem.

As for other things, I love ornate churches (I’m a HUGE fan of Baroque), I love insense and processions and so many of our weird and wonderful customs. 😃

Why don’t you just go to mass again and pray to God and forget about other people. They are supposed to help you, but maybe now is not the time. I wouldn’t worry about it.
 
It is perfectly possible to be a practicing Catholic without asking for the intercession of saints and the BVM. I sometimes pray the Rosary but don’t have a particular devotion towards Mary. I don’t know why, I’m just not feeling it. I understand the dogmas and all but I somehow forget about it. I never remember to ask saints for help. Basically, I pray to God. Nobody has ever told me that is a problem.

As for other things, I love ornate churches (I’m a HUGE fan of Baroque), I love insense and processions and so many of our weird and wonderful customs. 😃

Why don’t you just go to mass again and pray to God and forget about other people. They are supposed to help you, but maybe now is not the time. I wouldn’t worry about it.
HaHA! And here you are, Contra, interceding for Bella.

Oh, the irony! 😃
 
So you do see, Contra, the benefit of asking for intercession, right?

Now, I don’t disagree with you that it’s not absolutely necessary.

But are we agreed now that it’s helpful? That it’s a good thing?
 
So you do see, Contra, the benefit of asking for intercession, right?

Now, I don’t disagree with you that it’s not absolutely necessary.

But are we agreed now that it’s helpful? That it’s a good thing?
Of course it is, I am not against it - don’t get me wrong, but I can understand why some people would think it weird and OTT. Also, I agree with some previous posters who suggest that there are Catholics who in fact do worship Mary and the saints. I have seen it. I think it is horrible and primitive and the roots are in not being educated in the faith properly. Maybe the OP thinks that was the problem in her family. (I’m not saying that it was, but it could be her impression.)

I don’t know why some people love these devotions and the rest of us are not really into them. I started praying the Rosary because people kept going on about how amazing it is. But I have never become super involved with it. At the same time, nudged by the Holy Spirit I gave a Rosary to a friend a few years ago. She was going through a crisis in her faith and I knew for a fact she had never prayed the Rosary, except when we had to do it in our youth prayer group back in the day. (I once opted out and turned on my cd player instead. People still laugh about it after 15+ years 😊) Anyway, she immediately took to the Rosary. She was so amazed by it that she stuck with the practice and has been praying it every day since. Why does she get it and get so much out of praying it and I don’t? I don’t know.
 
Of course it is, I am not against it -
I understand that.

And I see that you also engage in intercessory behavior.

So not only are you “not against it”, you do it, so I was simply curious about why you posted your original comment that I responded to.
Also, I agree with some previous posters who suggest that there are Catholics who in fact do worship Mary and the saints.
No doubt. 🤷
 
And I see that you also engage in intercessory behavior.

So not only are you “not against it”, you do it, so I was simply curious about why you posted your original comment that I responded to.
I wonder if the OP would see our prayers for her as intercessory behaviour. I think we tend to forget that asking others to pray for us is basically the same thing. The problem for some people is that the saints have passed from this life and are in Heaven, so they might see the focus on them as some kind of a replacement for God. This is what we are discussing, not us in this world praying for others. I don’t think I misunderstood the OP’s dilemma.
 
I wonder if the OP would see our prayers for her as intercessory behaviour. I think we tend to forget that asking others to pray for us is basically the same thing. **The problem for some people is that the saints have passed from this life and are in Heaven, so they might see the focus on them as some kind of a replacement for God. **This is what we are discussing, not us in this world praying for others. I don’t think I misunderstood the OP’s dilemma.
That is what Catholic Answers is for. To correct any misunderstandings about Catholicism.

And what is bolded is a big one.
 
I’ve never liked those big ornate churches with the very fancy artwork and architecture. I was brought to see the Vatican when I was little and I thought it was one of the least holy places I’ve ever been to in my life. There was no feeling of any kind of holiness there for me.
The two most beautiful churches or chapels I’ve ever seen:
The Holy Family Shrine in the middle of Nebraska
http://www.holyfamilyshrineproject.com/images/stories/slideshow/002b.jpg
And the Mission Basilica in San Diego. I can’t find a picture, but they have a mosaic of the Stations of the Cross. The figures are all outlines. The only way you can identify people is Veronica has a veil, Mary is blue instead of white, and Jesus has a crown of thorns
I was just thinking, were I to ever find my faith again, it would be a very simple, bare faith. I’d go to mass, and pray to God directly. That’d be about the height of it. Why is there, and does there have to be, so much of all this stuff about Mary and the Saints? And am I the only one who just doesn’t have any interest in all these things, and would just want a simple, simple faith and conversation directly with God?
I know how important these things are for people, and I’m not disputing that, or that all these devotions to Mary and the Saints have a role to play. I’m wondering if there’s something wrong with me for not wanting, or being interested in, these prayers and devotions, even from a very young age?
Why do we honor Mary? She’s the mother of Jesus, and by extension, of GOD. That’s more or less the entire reason we give her hyperdulia (higher than regular dulia, but still leagues below latria). Really, praying to the saints is no different than praying for your friend. The only difference is they’re in Heaven and part of the Church Triumphant not the Church Militant.

To answer your question, though, there’s ALMOST nothing wrong with it. Even if you have no devotion to Mary whatsoever, she still has three Holy Days of Obligation– the Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God; the Assumption; and the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. So like I said, almost nothing wrong with it.
 
It is perfectly possible to be a practicing Catholic without asking for the intercession of saints and the BVM. I sometimes pray the Rosary but don’t have a particular devotion towards Mary. I don’t know why, I’m just not feeling it. I understand the dogmas and all but I somehow forget about it. I never remember to ask saints for help. Basically, I pray to God. Nobody has ever told me that is a problem.

As for other things, I love ornate churches (I’m a HUGE fan of Baroque), I love insense and processions and so many of our weird and wonderful customs. 😃

Why don’t you just go to mass again and pray to God and forget about other people. They are supposed to help you, but maybe now is not the time. I wouldn’t worry about it.
My Aunt had all that stuff and went to all the novenas but my mother kept things much more simple. We went to catholic school and Mass but we didn’t pray the rosary at home or pray to the saints. We were also brought up that The Trinity was the focus of our faith.

We prayed the Rosary at school from time to time but we never came close to worshiping Mary. We learned about all the different saints in religion class but were never told to pray to them, only that they were there if we need someone else to hear our prayers.

I started praying a little more to Mary once I had children, mostly for the strength and understanding to get through the day with them or help see what I needed to see to help make situations better, but that didn’t mean I didn’t pray to God also.As with every mother who has watched her child suffer such an unthinkable death, accepted it has God’s plan, and manage to go on in life, I see great strength and faith in them.

As many have said, if you don’t feel like you need the saints and Mary’s intercession, than simply don’t include them in your pray life. They will be there if you ever change your mind.
 
This link’s to a picture I found. It’s from a stock photo site that wanted money, so it didn’t feel right copying the image URL. The text is so weird because I forgot if you highlight something and click link it makes that a hyperlink instead of deleting the highlighted. I would be editing that post, but CAF’s weird and doesn’t always let me edit stuff 🤷
 
… Also, I agree with some previous posters who suggest that there are Catholics who in fact do worship Mary and the saints. I have seen it. I think it is horrible and primitive and the roots are in not being educated in the faith properly. Maybe the OP thinks that was the problem in her family. (I’m not saying that it was, but it could be her impression.) …
Worship is given either to God, called adoration, or to the angels and saints, called veneration, and includes the recognition of God’s infinite perfection, asking for divine help, and offering of something precious to God.
 
I must admitt I do find prayer other than to God is a hard concept for me. I don’t verbally pray anyway and do not do set prayers in my way of praying. So to ask Mary to ask God seems odd to me but I also know enough that what others find they can do. If it works for you then do it. Let people be in their way of praying 👍
 
I understand your position as I come from a protestant backround, but I would ask you to consider an OT perspective. Kings in the OT usually had many wives, but none were queen, but rather the kings’ mother was queen. And the best way of getting the kings’ attention was through his mother (the queen). Likewise, Jesus is our King and His Mother is His/our Queen. Since we know that many OT examples are prefigurements of the NT, is it not a far stretch of faith that the best way to the Heart of Jesus is through His Mother and our Queen? Do we not ask for prayers in our time of need from the most devout christians we know? Of course we do! That is what intercessorial prayer is all about. Why not then ask through the intercession of Mary, the Mother of Jesus and Queen of Heaven, just as you would your own earthly mother, for your earthly needs? Just my 2 cents worth.
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church has:
971 “All generations will call me blessed”: “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.” 515 The Church rightly honors “the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ‘Mother of God,’ to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration.” 516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary. 517

515 Luke 1:48; Paul VI, Marialis cultus 56.
516 Lumen Gentium 66.
517 Confer: Paul VI, Marialis cultus 42; Sacrosanctum Concilium 103.
vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-vi_exh_19740202_marialis-cultus_en.html

Marialis cultus
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  56. Venerable Brothers, as we come to the end of this our Apostolic  Exhortation we wish to sum up and emphasize the theological value of devotion to  the Blessed Virgin and to recall briefly its pastoral effectiveness for renewing  the Christian way of life.
  The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is an intrinsic element of  Christian worship. The honor which the Church has always and everywhere shown to  the Mother of the Lord, from the blessing with which Elizabeth greeted Mary (cf.  Lk. 1:42-45) right up to the expressions of praise and petition used today, is a  very strong witness to the Church's norm of prayer and an invitation to become  more deeply conscious of her norm of faith. And the converse is likewise true.  The Church's norm of faith requires that her norm of prayer should everywhere  blossom forth with regard to the Mother of Christ. Such devotion to the Blessed  Virgin is firmly rooted in the revealed word and has solid dogmatic foundations.  It is based on the singular dignity of Mary, "Mother of the Son of God, and  therefore beloved daughter of the Father and Temple of the Holy Spirit-Mary,  who, because of this extraordinary grace, is far greater than any other creature  on earth or in heaven."(119) This devotion takes into account the part she  played at decisive moments in the history of the salvation which her Son  accomplished, and her holiness, already full at her Immaculate Conception yet  increasing all the time as she obeyed the will of the Father and accepted the  path of suffering (cf. Lk. 2:34-35, 41-52; Jn. 19:25-27), growing constantly in  faith, hope and charity. Devotion to Mary recalls too her mission and the  special position she holds within the People of God, of which she is the  preeminent member, a shining example and the loving Mother; it recalls her  unceasing and efficacious intercession which, although she is assumed into  heaven, draws her close to those who ask her help, including those who do not  realize that they are her children. It recalls Mary's glory which ennobles the  whole of mankind, as the outstanding phrase of Dante recalls: "You have so  ennobled human nature that its very Creator did not disdain to share in  it."(120) Mary, in fact, is one of our race, a true daughter of Eve-though free  of that mother's sin-and truly our sister, who as a poor and humble woman fully  shared our lot.

 We would add further that devotion to the Blessed Virgin finds its ultimate  justification in the unfathomable and free will of God who, being eternal and  divine charity (cf. 1 Jn. 4:7-8, 16), accomplishes all things according to a  loving design. He loved her and did great things for her (cf. Lk. 1:49). He  loved her for His own sake, and He loved her for our sake, too; He gave her to  Himself and He gave her also to us.
 
I understand your position as I come from a protestant backround, but I would ask you to consider an OT perspective. Kings in the OT usually had many wives, but none were queen, but rather the kings’ mother was queen. And the best way of getting the kings’ attention was through his mother (the queen). Likewise, Jesus is our King and His Mother is His/our Queen. Since we know that many OT examples are prefigurements of the NT, is it not a far stretch of faith that the best way to the Heart of Jesus is through His Mother and our Queen? Do we not ask for prayers in our time of need from the most devout christians we know? Of course we do! That is what intercessorial prayer is all about. Why not then ask through the intercession of Mary, the Mother of Jesus and Queen of Heaven, just as you would your own earthly mother, for your earthly needs? Just my 2 cents worth.
I really like this.
 
Likes and dislikes are not matters of faith, rather living a Christlike life of charity towards God and others is, and to give our assent to the teachings of the Church, and follow the precepts. The sacraments are necessary.
Amen 👍
 
I was like many among you. Why to pray to Mary or saints? I found this useless as I wanted a relationship with God. However, I realised that they all wanted to have a relationship with God and they kinda suceeded. I see that they were humans like us only they are surely in heaven now and we are far from them. I like to pray to Mary so she prays directly to The Son Jesus. Her prayer must be so much more awesome than mine so I ask her to help me to get to God. We are all in the body of Christ( if we took Eucharist) and we are connected more than we are connected biologycally to our family. We have to ask ourselves a question. Do we appreciate this biological connection? If we dont we cannot really appreciate spiritual connection either. I like to know that some saints had a similar path with me. I think they would pray for me much more than they ever could on earth because they feel my hardships. I also think that if we want to be living in the love of Christ we cannot hate His mother. We cannot regard her as a simple woman. She was special and uniqe. Remember, Jesus did his first miracle for Her request (in accordance with the Father ofc). What a great love!
 
I understand your position as I come from a protestant backround, but I would ask you to consider an OT perspective. Kings in the OT usually had many wives, but none were queen, but rather the kings’ mother was queen. And the best way of getting the kings’ attention was through his mother (the queen). Likewise, Jesus is our King and His Mother is His/our Queen. Since we know that many OT examples are prefigurements of the NT, is it not a far stretch of faith that the best way to the Heart of Jesus is through His Mother and our Queen? Do we not ask for prayers in our time of need from the most devout christians we know? Of course we do! That is what intercessorial prayer is all about. Why not then ask through the intercession of Mary, the Mother of Jesus and Queen of Heaven, just as you would your own earthly mother, for your earthly needs? Just my 2 cents worth.
Actually, I very rarely do ask other Christians to pray for me… and I always feel not fake, but not quite me when I have done so. Even with the present priest when been feeling rubbish at times the most I will ask for is if he would pray as I can’t pray like that. I never ask him if he does and Early on I did say he can do from what I’ve said in emails if as I can’t do so. But he has been the most I have asked for in real terms of asking for prayers in our time of need. When I have been on the ‘sick list’ that wasn’t for me but for those who wanted me on. Not my request. I have very few words I use when with God and I really very rarely ask others to pray and when I do they know, as of the priest, it isn’t my style of prayer and feel it kind of hopeless. I also know all I am really asking when I am asking him, is to feel like someene cares enough. Whenever I do ask that is what it is about, someone caring rather than God answering. God answers all of my prayer in that I simply just be with him. Yeh, I want more than just knowing… but God does answer my prayer in that I am with him. I do not need Mary or any other saint or priest or friend in that prayer. When I am asking the priest or online, it is about wanting to be cared for rather than than… 😊
 
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