How can a 'Catholic' university allow coed. dorms.?

[StrawberryJam]

The world is never all black. And grace and prayers always work to change the world.

Why not go to a pro-life pharmacy, read about how the majority of Americans view abortion as wrong, or the success of some anti-abortion campaigns.

Every day people turn away from the abortion mills because of prayer and work. Lives are saved. More and more priests are becoming more and more faithful and obedient. The Pope exhorts bishops, and signs are, there is more courage to speak out.

Step by step the world is getting righter. Persecution will separate the wheat more greatly from the chaff. One way or another, it will all work out for the best.

If you want to live life with God, the capacity is always there to do it, however great and many the obstacles, grace only increases.

You are talking to a person who wants the same legal rights you want for the one IN UTERO to be the same for all OUT of UTERO.

I hope one day you will also come around to seeing that basic right and dignity offered to **all **as a US citizen, I can do no other.
If we were having this discussion a century ago or more, (sadly, even less) you would see the christian views on slavery in a much different light than you do today.

The light must just keep getting brighter, as the JW’s always say.

 

[EasterJoy]

This thread is going to get closed before it gets moved to where it belongs, at this rate.

In the meantime, would anybody care to comment on exactly what the responsibility a Catholic university has to discourage grave immorality in university-owned and run housing? Let it be taken as a given that unisex housing does not, by itself, prevent even heterosexual transgressions.

Obviously, civil laws in most places keep a university from doing anything with regards to housing open to the general public. On-campus housing, as far as I know, does not fall in the same legal or ethical category as rental properties the university might own as a real estate investment.

Comments?

 

[Goth_Catholic]

Do we all have the same understanding as to what a co-ed dorm is? Co-ed does not mean opposite sexes are roommates.

At the college I attended, a co-ed dorm meant men and women lived in the same dorm, but it was segregated by floors. First floor was women, second floor was men, third floor was women, and so on. The residents could not be on the opposite sex floor after a certain hour (10pm, 11pm, midnight? I can’t remember).

Even in co-ed dorms where men and women live on the same floor segregated by suites as described above, I don’t see how that is any different than living in an apartment building where two or three girls share an apartment and next door or down the hall there are two or three guys sharing an apartment. (Same with staying in a hotel.)

What is despicable about that?

x2 I go to a Catholic university and live in a co-ed dorm. We’re segregated by floors. It’s not like it’s one big orgy here, and if it is I’m seriously missing out Truth be told that happens in the all-girls dorm and the all-guys dorm, not here. But this is also the dorm that Bio and science majors live in, so maybe we’re more mature then the average college student:shrug:

 

[StrawberryJam]

This thread is going to get closed before it gets moved to where it belongs, at this rate.

In the meantime, would anybody care to comment on exactly what the responsibility a Catholic university has to discourage grave immorality in university-owned and run housing? Let it be taken as a given that unisex housing does not, by itself, prevent even heterosexual transgressions.

Obviously, civil laws in most places keep a university from doing anything with regards to housing open to the general public. On-campus housing, as far as I know, does not fall in the same legal or ethical category as rental properties the university might own as a real estate investment.

Comments?

When you **promote **guest speakers that have an anti- catholic world view in your “higher” education catholic schools- what do you think the message will be? Not for debate, which would be honorable to do, and good. But, just to have them there to spout their view, with NO debate involved? And to make matters worse, get nuns who protest in trouble with the law?

 

[Goth_Catholic]

False also and harmful to Christian education is the so-called method “co-education.”

With respect to his Holiness, really…REALLY? Segregation, especially in education and the workplace is but one step from discrimination and degradation.

 

[StrawberryJam]

With respect to his Holiness, really…REALLY? Segregation, especially in education and the workplace is but one step from discrimination and degradation.

I agree. Oops, now you will be on the hot seat. Sorry about that.

 

[Goth_Catholic]

I agree. Oops, now you will be on the hot seat. Sorry about that.

Let them come.

 

[ProVobis]

Depends which you ask. How about the ones who think they are “ordained”?

The world is full of scandal. Let’s not add any more to it or give such perception, I say.

 

[StrawberryJam]

The world is full of scandal. Let’s not add any more to it or give such perception, I say.

Hear no evil, see no evil. Gotcha!

 

[bpbasilphx]

There may be federal laws now forbidding gender discrimination in housing on campuses.

When the idea of co-ed dorms came up when I was in college in thelate 60’s, early '70’s. the men were against it! They didn’t want to feel they should have to dress up to open the door of their rooms or go to the shower–which were communal.

Oddly enough, the women wanted it! They said they would feel safer with men on the lowest floor of all the dorms.

 

[EasterJoy]

With respect to his Holiness, really…REALLY? Segregation, especially in education and the workplace is but one step from discrimination and degradation.

Let us forget about fully adult situations for a moment. Segregating adolescents is not degrading, nor does it necessarily lead to more discrimination. There is a lot of evidence, in fact, that shows that adolescent females fare much better in segregated learning environments than in co-educational ones. They are heard more and self-edit less.

The thread is about the nature of a Catholic university’s responsibilities with regards to living arrangements provided to students by the university itself. Typically, the only students required to live on campus are freshmen under the age of 21 and not living with relatives, so we are talking about students who still are in late adolescence, who may yet be very naive about the realities of living outside the watchful eye of their parents, and who are particularly prone to asserting their new indepence in foolish ways. Let us not forget, too, that while some older students will remain in on-campus housing for reasons of convenience and cost, others will choose it precisely in order to exploit less experienced students than themselves. (Even public universities sometimes also provide housing open to students over 21 only, with less restrictive rules concerning alcohol and curfews, for instance.)

For these freshman students and those who, for whatever reason, choose to live in the same housing with them, what kind of safeguards for the sake of chastity are reasonable, prudent, and effective? I would argue that a university is morally compelled to provide only those boundaries that meet all three of those criteria. And while we’re at it…what is the university’s responsibility with regards to preventing alcohol abuse, and so on? The students are all legally adults, but practically speaking are still worthy of some protection. With regards to living arrangements, what kind of boundaries are appropriate?

 

[Young_Thinker]

Depends which you ask. How about the ones who think they are “ordained”?

Well, I have heard, for one thing, that among Eastern Catholics, the laity are typically more “conservative” than the clergy. However, I might have take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Unfortunately, I do not think that I myself will be able to answer every reply. I am not sure about the precise details at many schools in particular. Remembrance of this phenomenon just “stuck in” my mind after having read about various universities at the College Board’s website a couple of years ago. In any case, though, the main thoughts that I have upon concerns decency and discretion. Obviously, actual morality is important, but since many things in this world are assumed rather than truly known, one’s public display and manner of living tells a lot about one’s practiced ethics. Frankly, coeducational housing and its sister non-marital cohabitation(i.e. concubinage) are very “tacky” in my opinion.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Why is it “un-Catholic” for males and females to live in close proximity?

I myself have personally been within MERE INCHES of men at work, in public places, on the bus, etc., and not once did I ever jump them and have sex with them.

Miz

That is a bit different, since it is a little voluntary, usually “out in the open,” and often involving whom one does not even know. It is not the same thing as residing with them. In addition, this is not just a Catholic issue but instead extends all across Christianity.

 

[Young_Thinker]

Why shouldn’t they have coed dorms in Catholic Universites, since we have Catholic Senators and Congress Rep’s supporting abortion? And perhaps some who support coed dorms do not support abortion and vice-versa. Once we define our standards as “relative” we have no standards. Jesus predicted that “…they will call good evil, and evil good…”
Know that you are blessed to be able to recognize evil as evil.

Yes, these places are often operated by clergy and are formally associated with the Church. There is no “separation of church and state” within them. It is related to why Pope John Paul II forbade priests to serve in public office in a secular context as a result of the pro-choice Fr. Drinen having been a U.S. Congressman(for Massachusetts!).

 

[Young_Thinker]

With respect to his Holiness, really…REALLY? Segregation, especially in education and the workplace is but one step from discrimination and degradation.

How so? What is wrong with previously common decency? I appreciate your thoughts, but how would that be humanly degrading? In the most contexts, there is nothing wrong with a mixed-gendered workplace, but living quarters are a different “story.” As for separate genders in the same classroom, I, personally, intend to enroll any children which I may have in the future to all-male or all-girls schools while they are in early adolescence(and beyond).

 

[Young_Thinker]

We are in the midst of large scale general disobedience to basic Catholic moral teachings by Catholics in most areas, and this is not just the laypeople, universities, etc. but in all areas, the religious orders, the priesthood, yes the bishops as we’ve seen from the resistance of some conferences to such basics as contraception.

If you wish to fix it, lead the life that these people are not leading and encourage others to do so, and your personal holiness will help assuage God, and spread grace.

And have faith!

Thank you.

 

[Young_Thinker]

x2 But this is also the dorm that Bio and science majors live in, so maybe we’re more mature then the average college student:shrug:

Geologists supposedly tend to be heavy drinkers, and, at college, I have been around plenty of those who are majoring in geology(with notorious reports about the field-camps!). However, biologists, because of their rationally animalistic perspective, probably take a rather dry view of erotic behavior(yet I would still not expect students to be “responsible”). However, from personal experience, you obviously more than I do about daily life in a dormitory. Thank you for sharing your ideas.

 

[Young_Thinker]

This thread is going to get closed before it gets moved to where it belongs, at this rate.

In the meantime, would anybody care to comment on exactly what the responsibility a Catholic university has to discourage grave immorality in university-owned and run housing? Let it be taken as a given that unisex housing does not, by itself, prevent even heterosexual transgressions.

Obviously, civil laws in most places keep a university from doing anything with regards to housing open to the general public.** On-campus housing, as far as I know, does not fall in the same legal or ethical category as rental properties the university might own as a real estate investment.**
Comments?

Exactly(concerning the second comment which I enboldened)! I apologize about placing this in the wrong category; now I do not know how to move it.

 

[Young_Thinker]

There may be federal laws now forbidding gender discrimination in housing on campuses.

When the idea of co-ed dorms came up when I was in college in thelate 60’s, early '70’s. the men were against it! They didn’t want to feel they should have to dress up to open the door of their rooms or go to the shower–which were communal.

Oddly enough, the women wanted it! They said they would feel safer with men on the lowest floor of all the dorms.

If there are laws upon this, they deserve to be struck down as, in my opinion, being “absolutely ridiculous.” An interesting story, though.