How can a Christian be pro choice ??

[fix]

I know scores of pro-choice Catholics. Some of whom are well respected in their parishes and considered highly religious. Some of these pro-choice Catholics even wear clerical collars or habits. I happen to be of the opinion that there is, in some circumstances, a greater evil in forcing a pregnancy upon someone than in terminating one.

Which evil is worse than killing a baby?

 

[jenwha]

My mother is like this and I don’t get it either. Still to this day.

Thank God, I never got pregnant, because she used to tell me if I did, we would just go have an abortion. YIKES.

We had attended some pro choice rallies over 20 years ago, BTW and that is what the pro choice folk call pro lifers…anti choicers. It makes the moral and true agenda sound negative to the world I guess.

As it has been said, if you have sex, you must face the consequences that it might bring a baby. I guess women still have the legal option for abortion in the USA, but I would not want murder on my conscience.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

I am pro choice. I converted to this position when I was 14, when my mother told me her grandmother died of a self-induced, illegal abortion in 1909 when she couldn’t face having a 7th child. I thought this was awful and still do. Because she died, her husband put their youngest two (including my grandfather) in an orphanage for a while; there my grandfather contracted an eye disease that affected his vision for life.

I do support adoption as an alternative to abortion. However, I think abortions should be safe, legal, and rare as women will always seek them.

What your grandmother needed was love and support, not abortion. Where was your grandfather? Why didn’t he step up and get her some help? And the only part of “safe, legal and rare” that true is the “legal”. It’s neither safe nor rare. Women deserve better than abortion.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[Charlemagne_II]

Studer

**I am PRO CHOICE !!! **

But you are pro-death for the unborn child?

 

[ephesians4]

I cannot think of anything more demeaning to women than the things they are commonly encouraged to put themselves through now.

I have an anecdote too. I am alive now, as are all of my children, because a good Christian (literally) kicked a door off its hinges to rescue my mother, a teenager too young to assert herself properly, from being railroaded into an abortion.

I am now, as I was then, definitely a person.

Sorry for how “anti-choice” this probably sounds, but for I’m glad I was not murdered.

PS: I would see it as little consolation if a doctor had helped to murder me in a more hygienic and “safe” manner.

 

[Spudbynight]

How can you be anti choice? Are you a sexist?

I am PRO CHOICE !!!

I am pro choice. I make lots of choices every day. I have to choose what I will have for lunch shortly.

What I am thought is completely anti abortion. I accept the teaching of the Church in its entirety. All life is sacred and begins at conception.

 

[Spudbynight]

I happen to be of the opinion that there is, in some circumstances, a greater evil in forcing a pregnancy upon someone than in terminating one.

That is an opinion contrary to the faith. It is incompatible with being Catholic.

 

[manualman]

I am pro choice. I converted to this position when I was 14, when my mother told me her grandmother died of a self-induced, illegal abortion in 1909 when she couldn’t face having a 7th child. I thought this was awful and still do. Because she died, her husband put their youngest two (including my grandfather) in an orphanage for a while; there my grandfather contracted an eye disease that affected his vision for life.

I do support adoption as an alternative to abortion. However, I think abortions should be safe, legal, and rare as women will always seek them.

Have you ever heard of Susan Kennedy Smith? She was a single mom with two small kids (IIRC both under 4) who had a boyfriend that was losing interest. She desperately wanted to keep him, but he decided he wasn’t interested in being daddy to the two kids she already had and was about to break it off. She decided to resolve her problem by choosing to strap her two kids securely in their car seats and then rolled the car into a deep local pond. Then she reported a carjacking to the police and went seeking comfort from her boyfriend.

This was a dangerous thing! What if she had gotten her purse strap caught on the door as she jumped free and was dragged into the pond too!? Clearly we need to legalize centers where people can bring ALL their unwanted children to be painlessly and mercifully put down.

Do you support HER right to choose too? Should it be safe and legal? Why not?

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Have you ever heard of Susan Kennedy Smith? She was a single mom with two small kids (IIRC both under 4) who had a boyfriend that was losing interest. She desperately wanted to keep him, but he decided he wasn’t interested in being daddy to the two kids she already had and was about to break it off. She decided to resolve her problem by choosing to strap her two kids securely in their car seats and then rolled the car into a deep local pond. Then she reported a carjacking to the police and went seeking comfort from her boyfriend.

This was a dangerous thing! What if she had gotten her purse strap caught on the door as she jumped free and was dragged into the pond too!? Clearly we need to legalize centers where people can bring ALL their unwanted children to be painlessly and mercifully put down.

Do you support HER right to choose too? Should it be safe and legal? Why not?

The only differences between what she did and an abortion was the age and location of the children and the lack of an accomplice to help her.

In Christ,
Ellen

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I know scores of pro-choice Catholics. Some of whom are well respected in their parishes and considered highly religious. Some of these pro-choice Catholics even wear clerical collars or habits. I happen to be of the opinion that there is, in some circumstances, a greater evil in forcing a pregnancy upon someone than in terminating one.

Well its a good thing were not relying on your opinions and interpretations and instead have the Catechism which makes things so very clear.

 

[Slaney]

Jesus said if we are not with Him were against Him, abortion is MURDER ! and NO-ONE ! can call themselves a true follower of Christ that is pro-choice.

As if Jesus would approve of it ** "Let the little children come to me, if anyone harms them, let him tie a milestone round his neck and cast it into the depths of the sea " !
**

 

[davidn87]

^ Amen!

 

[vera_dicere]

I’ve met a heap. However, all of the ones I’ve met in real life had very poor understanding of scripture, theology and the abortion issue itself. The abortion juggernaught has prided itself on pushing ignorance, the majority pro-abortion supporter is really quite blind to the reality of what they support. In a way, I hope they remain ignorant, because at least then they’re not committing a mortal sin, and God will show them mercy because of their stupidity. I get chills thinking of clergy and religious people who support abortion, how will they explain to God on their judgement day that they supported the murder of his most innocent children? I don’t think God’s gonna buy that whole “my body my choice” garbage.

There are, I’m sure, individuals who understand their faith better than the majority, but like people who blow up clinics, have simply misunderstood scripture or twisted it to support their leanings.

Killing people is wrong.

Abortion kills people.

Therefore, abortion is wrong.

There is no justififcation for the brutal and willful murder of an innocent child. There is no justification for the maiming and emotional wounding of women. Abortion really is something born of pure, unabashed evil.

 

[manualman]

I know scores of pro-choice Catholics. Some of whom are well respected in their parishes and considered highly religious. Some of these pro-choice Catholics even wear clerical collars or habits. I happen to be of the opinion that there is, in some circumstances, a greater evil in forcing a pregnancy upon someone than in terminating one.

My emphasis added.

This post clearly illustrates the main philosophical problem that leads otherwise sincere and reasonable people to fall for pro-abortion propaganda. There seems to be an unspoken and (worse) unexamined assumption that abortion is some sort of magic time machine that allows the woman to go back in time and change things such that the pregnancy never happened. Therefore anybody opposing such a thing is a thug and a mysoginist and would be “forcing” a pregnancy on her.

But that’s not what abortion is. Abortion is the intentional killing of a child already conceived. The difficult circumstances of the woman don’t change that. Face facts people. There is no difference between what an abortionist does and what Susan Kennedy Smith did. There is only a difference in the ease of rationalizing a pretense of a difference. This is the same reason the Nazis rounded the Jews up out of the public eye before killing them (so people could pretend not to know of the killings), the same reason slave owners banned teaching black slaves how to read (so they could rationalize treating them as animals instead of people). Face the facts, stop the rationalizing.

 

[Rete]

I purchased a three-volume set of books that compiles the known documents of the early Church, titled Faith of our Fathers.

While reading these texts it became abundantly clear that the Church teachings people find so controversial today have always been Church teachings. Abortion has always been considered the sin of murder. All of the modern heresies surrounding the outcomes of sexual immorality have been condemned since the time of the Apostles.

For example, the earliest text included in this compilation, the Didache, was composed circa A.D. 140. It says:

And the second commandment of the Teaching; You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, Exodus 20:13-14 you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, Exodus 20:15 you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten. You shall not covet the things of your neighbour, Exodus 20:17 you shall not forswear yourself, Matthew 5:34 you shall not bear false witness, Exodus 20:16 you shall not speak evil, you shall bear no grudge. You shall not be double-minded nor double-tongued; for to be double-tongued is a snare of death. Your speech shall not be false, nor empty, but fulfilled by deed. You shall not be covetous, nor rapacious, nor a hypocrite, nor evil disposed, nor haughty. You shall not take evil counsel against your neighbour. You shall not hate any man; but some you shall reprove, and concerning some you shall pray, and some you shall love more than your own life.

newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm

In A.D. 222 a text was composed by Saint Hippolytus of Rome which addresses abortion more specifically, titled Philosophoumena or Refutation of All Heresies. In it he wrote something which is quite apropos to our own time:

And the hearers of Callistus being delighted with his tenets, continue with him, thus mocking both themselves as well as many others, and crowds of these dupes stream together into his school. Wherefore also his pupils are multiplied, and they plume themselves upon the crowds (attending the school) for the sake of pleasures which Christ did not permit. But in contempt of Him, they place restraint on the commission of no sin, alleging that they pardon those who acquiesce (in Callistus’ opinions). For even also he permitted females, if they were unwedded, and burned with passion at an age at all events unbecoming, or if they were not disposed to overturn their own dignity through a legal marriage, that they might have whomsoever they would choose as a bedfellow, whether a slave or free, and that a woman, though not legally married, might consider such a companion as a husband. Whence women, reputed believers, began to resort to drugs for producing sterility, and to gird themselves round, so to expel what was being conceived on account of their not wishing to have a child either by a slave or by any paltry fellow, for the sake of their family and excessive wealth. Behold, into how great impiety that lawless one has proceeded, by inculcating adultery and murder at the same time! And withal, after such audacious acts, they, lost to all shame, attempt to call themselves a Catholic Church! And some, under the supposition that they will attain prosperity, concur with them. During the episcopate of this one, second baptism was for the first time presumptuously attempted by them. These, then, (are the practices and opinions which) that most astonishing Callistus established, whose school continues, preserving its customs and tradition, not discerning with whom they ought to communicate, but indiscriminately offering communion to all. And from him they have derived the denomination of their cognomen; so that, on account of Callistus being a foremost champion of such practices, they should be called Callistians.

newadvent.org/fathers/050109.htm

The teachings on these matters go on like this throughout the entire history of the Church. The Church has always fought against these kinds of heresies.

 

[iheartdance]

Has anyone ever met a pro choice Christian I did recently an episcopal priest when I heard them talk it seemed so strange to hear about how they love christ and the about how they are for abortion rights. The only pro choice people I have ever met where athiest it seemed so strange. Has anyone ever met pro abortion “Christians” before

They can’t. If they are, they are not Christians.

 

[iheartdance]

^ Amen!

Double Amen!

 

[iheartdance]

What if you are pregnant with a baby girl, and you choose to end her life? I would call that pretty sexist. Where is your zeal for that? It happens all the time.

Here in America we are upwards of 55 million aborted babies at various stages since it became legal 40 years ago. I am sure quite a few were girls.

Life is life. That’s it. If you don’t get that then I continue to pray for you.

And what is this “anti-choice?”
I like the pro-life - pro-choice dichotomy. Because life trumps choice. Regardless if the choice that is made to end life heck yeah I am anti-choice.

Amen!:clapping:

 

[Evania]

I know scores of pro-choice Catholics. Some of whom are well respected in their parishes and considered highly religious. Some of these pro-choice Catholics even wear clerical collars or habits. I happen to be of the opinion that there is, in some circumstances, a greater evil in forcing a pregnancy upon someone than in terminating one.

There’s a greater evil in “forcing” a pregnancy on someone than actually killing another human being? Really??? If you are referring to rape, why should a child get the death penalty for the sins of their father?

 

[Evania]

Oh by the way, I guess you can say that I’m pro-choice too. I’m pro-choice pre-conception, and pro-life post-conception.

A real woman wouldn’t make a baby suffer.