How can a loving God create then condemn a homosexual being?

[englands123]

Anyone who loves God and understands his words would know…

God isn’t against Gays or Lesbians.

He’s against their sexual actions. Not against the person.

 

[BlueMaxx]

This is assuming that “gays” are indeed born that way based on studies.
http://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/eaat7693
Please cite studies or references if there are any. Thanks and God bless!

In the end it’s not that God condemns us, it is that we reject His precepts and laws and are subject to the penalty for unrepentant sin.
Irregardless if your a homosexual, thief, murderer, idolater, pagan, child molester, cleptomaniac, ect, ect ect…

It is our turning from God, we all have sin, and while we are on earth we all have the same opportunity to confess the sin and to turn and run from it.
Each day we wake upon is a new opportunity to deny ourselves and serve the Lord.

The penalty for breaking God’s law is ultimately death…the kind of sin is really irrelevant.
As Christ said, our problem is a heart problem…we are so attached to our sin it hardens our heart.

Also, God gives us all the freedom to sin, and the freedom to cry out to him for forgiveness AND REPENTANCE…To repent means to truly turn from your sin and deny your own flesh, whatever ones hangup may be.

That is why we say an act of contrition after going to confession…

My God, I am sorry for my sins with all my heart. In choosing to do wrong and failing to do good, I have sinned against you whom I should love above all things.

I firmly intend, with your help, to do penance, to sin no more, and to avoid whatever leads me to sin.

Our Savior Jesus Christ suffered and died for us. In his name, my God, have mercy.

The choice is yours, do not lay it on God.

Just my two cents…

M

 

[LilyM]

There may or may not be a genetic/biological component to some (likely not all);cases of homosexual attraction, just as there is in some (likely not all) cases of drug or alcohol addiction.

If there is, it doubtless males it much more difficult for the sufferer. And accordingly may make them somewhat less subjectively culpable for what they do. But we cannot take this for granted, at least not in every case.

 

[ZMystiCat]

suicide

1. I was talking about giving into the temptation, which suicide obviously isn’t.
2. Someone giving in doesn’t mean it was beyond their ability to bear, just that they gave in.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant.

 

[PetraG]

That still doesn’t explain why God would create special burdens and hardships for some people at least partially because of genetic mutations and through no fault of their own.

Homosexuality is harder to cope with than Down Syndrome?
There is evidence that some aspects of psychopathy are genetic–this is not worse?
Since when is having a sexual desire that cannot be met by marrying someone who is available for us to marry the worst position God could allow someone to experience?

We have a fallen nature. We are susceptible to disease, to physically atypical development, to mental health issues, to disordered desires rooted in aspects of ourselves that we did not cause and that, to some extent, we cannot change. We have desires we master only with great difficulty and duties we learn to meet only with great difficulty. Few of us reach self-mastery in this life. We know that God understand fully what our capacities have been. We know we will not be judged unjustly.

God took on our burdens. Why did God allow that to happen to Himself? God put aside being God in order to become one of us. God did that so that we could again have a chance to become like God.

Did Paul marry? Did Pope Francis marry? How many of the saints were martyred rather than give up their chastity? Did Our Lady, a married woman, ever have sex? Did Our Lord marry or have sex?

How is it not fair that our will must be put to the test by difficulties in order to be made into saints? Do we not receive the mercy necessary to fail and repent and fail and repent and fail and repent, over and over and over? Is there a limit on how many times we can ask for mercy and grace? What about this project to make us into beings in the likeness of God is not just, exactly? Who is not fair–is it our Creator or is it we creatures who are unjust?

 

[Sarcelle]

That still doesn’t explain why God would create special burdens and hardships for some people at least partially because of genetic mutations and through no fault of their own.

It’s not just people who have SSA who have burdens put on them through no fault of their own.

Have you heard of Prader Willi syndrome?

Prader-Willi syndrome - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

It’s a rare genetic abnormality that has as one of its symptoms, an overwhelming sense of hunger that causes people who suffer from it to overeat to the point of obesity. No matter how much they eat, they never get full.

For their health, people who suffer from this genetic mutation have to fight against a ravenous hunger every second of their life. We know gluttony is a sin and yet there is this subgroup of people who because of a genetic mutation are especially prone to this.

Why would God inflict this on people? I honestly don’t know. They have a very heavy cross to bear and yet they must deny themselves food in spite of experiencing ravenous hunger if they want to stay relatively healthy. We all know obesity isn’t good for the body.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Thing is, the “God does not give us more than we can handle” is a nice Hallmark Card, however it is not part of Scripture nor teaching of the Church.

God promised that there will never be a temptation without means to escape, so, we never have a time when sinning is our only option.

Another thing, many of the burdens we gather are burdens we picked up on our own, they were not given by God.

Sometimes those burdens do crush people.

It is our job as Christians to help people bear their burdens!!

 

[PetraG]

Yes, it is a Hallmark sentiment that we don’t get more trials in this life than we can handle.
It is true that our Just Judge understands our trials better than we do, and took on our trials and died and rose again to give us mercy. God will not condemn us for trying and failing and repenting. It is not our accomplishments that are the divine project. It is we who are the projects of God. God gives us the freedom to choose to refuse the plan, but is not standing there with a stick to whack us for failing.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

That still doesn’t explain why God would create special burdens and hardships for some people at least partially because of genetic mutations and through no fault of their own.

It’s not just people who have SSA who have burdens put on them through no fault of their own.

Have you heard of Prader Willi syndrome?

People keep bringing up other conditions that would be more burdensome. But what I said wasn’t intended to imply that the burdens placed on LGBT people if they had to live according to Church teachings would be more difficult than the burdens faced by all other people out there. I wrote “for some people” on purpose and that includes many other people besides LGBT people. I myself have ADHD which has been a major impairment for me. It has pervaded almost every area of my life and has had an impact on my ability to maintain relationships with other people, to drive an automobile safely, to do necessary household chores and to hold a job. I also have to wonder why a just God would place that burden on me as well or why He would place such heavy burdens on people with Down syndrome or Prader Willi syndrome or any other genetic conditions when He could prevent it if He chose to do so. This is a major difficulty I struggle with in being able to believe that there is really a God out there at all. It’s easier for me in a way to believe that much that happens in our life is just random bad luck and sometimes random good luck.

 

[PetraG]

I also have to wonder why a just God would place that burden on me as well or why He would place such heavy burdens on people with Down syndrome or Prader Willi syndrome or any other genetic conditions when He could prevent it if He chose to do so.

Again: Why did God choose to become a human being? Wouldn’t you say that the difference between being God and being a poor human being in Palastine under the Romans wasn’t a bigger change of circumstance than being a human being with more difficulties to contend with than some other human being?

I think it has to be clear that according to the wisdom of God the best way and the easiest way are not the same thing. It is we humans who chose the hard way for ourselves. We humans take both the good and the bad that our ancestors chose for us; we don’t get to choose only what we like and complain that we don’t want what we don’t like. God knows what we have individually chosen and what we have not chosen. God chose to follow us into it all.

As for random chance, if you look at all the random chance in the universe as a whole, the planets with life and the planets without it, the number of beings who are insects or microbes and the number who are sentient let alone rational and capable of abstract thinking, it is pretty difficult to claim that human beings having chats with each other on computers have had a lot of bad fortune. (Feeling that you’ve had good fortune instead of bad does start with gratitude.)

 

[englands123]

I’ve personally have no issues with other people’s sexuality and won’t judge either.

But as I say to anyone who is pro Homosexual… please can you answer this simple question?

If every human being on planet Earth became homosexual … Where would the next generation of humans come from ? We’d ( humans ) become instinct would we not.

 

[Thorolfr]

But those burdens and hardships are not all equal. If someone has had relatively good health for most of their life and their biggest health burden is that they get a headache once in a while, that’s pretty easy to face and deal with and isn’t comparable to someone whose biggest health burden is that they have been living in extreme and crippling pain for years and years.

 

[Wesrock]

But those burdens and hardships are not all equal. If someone has had relatively good health for most of their life and their biggest health burden is that they get a headache once in a while, that’s pretty easy to face and deal with and isn’t comparable to someone whose biggest health burden is that they have been living in extreme and crippling pain for years and years.

True. And we know this is part of the natural order of things God established and conserves.

I should clarify that we do believe, as C.S. Lewis wrote in Mere Christianity, that God’s judgment and mercy is not blind to the extra difficulties and hurdles one faces. God knows all these things and accounts for them.

Still, that does not give permission to do evil things because of these increased hardships, even if it affects overall culpability.

 

[englands123]

You are forgetting one thing my friend.

Some of the most awe inspiring people who’s ever lived on Earth have suffered deep physical or mental health hardships.

They can make the most stubborn of heart around them be humbled in their presence.

Never forget that as the Lord may have big plans for those suffering in this life. They obviously wouldn’t have wished for the burden they have received. But some burdens are a gift.

Remember God doesn’t think as we humans do. Quite the opposite in fact.

 

[CatholicELATeacher]

the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity.

Absolutely true. There can be no nuptial relationship and no communion of persons, no complementary gift of self in the homosexual relationship. There is in fact no innocence in such relationships. God designed all these things for man and woman in holy, incarnational union; homosexual activity is a choice that flouts God’s design for humanity.

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

This is like asking how a loving God can create a kleptomaniac and then condemn them for thievery. Besides it begs the question that they are created like that by God rather than by abusers or something else.

 

[Genesis315]

Concupiscence is common to all human beings subject to the effects of original sin in our first parents, from whom we take our flesh, even if it may manifest itself differently in each person. God gives all the grace to ultimately persevere over our concupiscence.

As the Roman Catechism says of concupiscence and other infirmities, “in them we may have the seed and material of virtue from which we shall hereafter receive a more abundant harvest of glory and more ample rewards. When, with patient resignation, we bear all the trials of life, and, aided by the divine assistance, subject to the dominion of reason the rebellious desires of the heart, we ought to cherish an assured hope that if, with the Apostle we shall have fought a good fight, finished the course, and kept the faith, the Lord, the just judge, will render to us on that day a crown of justice which is laid up for us.”

Jesus Himself tells us this, when He commands us to take up our cross and follow in His footsteps. The way of salvation is one of the Cross.

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[Vico]

mrsdizzyd:

whatever inclinations we have that are not ordered toward their natural purpose are the result of the fall and the introduction of sin into the world

Then why would a loving God penalize individuals for something they did not do, i.e. eating the forbidden fruit. Why pass it? Why not just penalize Adam & Eve then spare the other generations who are not responsible for that sin

Catechism of the Catholic Church

389 The doctrine of original sin is, so to speak, the “reverse side” of the Good News that Jesus is the Savior of all men, that all need salvation and that salvation is offered to all through Christ. The Church, which has the mind of Christ, 263 knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.

396 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. …

404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”. 293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state. 294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.

405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called “concupiscence”. Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.

 

[John10]

God does not force anybody to do anything. We are free to do as God asks us to , or to reject Him. There has been many people who have overcome their homosexual desires or at least refrain from indulging in them.