How can a Priest become Bi-ritual?

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There is also the Military Ordinariate of the Philippines which does care for the eastern Catholic military faithful.
 
Greetings Vico and ConstantineTG,

I was merely using the Phillipines as an example for my question. This is all very interesting and very confusing at times.

Vico would you happen to have a list of the 23 Rites of the Catholic Church available, if so, can you PM it to me? I was told that you might have some neat little charts and things of that nature.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
Anathama_Sit said:
Greetings Vico and ConstantineTG,

I was merely using the Phillipines as an example for my question. This is all very interesting and very confusing at times.

Vico would you happen to have a list of the 23 Rites of the Catholic Church available, if so, can you PM it to me? I was told that you might have some neat little charts and things of that nature.

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
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Here are updated Charts:

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Modification of one of mine by CDB1718:

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Eastern Catholic Statistics 2010

4,350,735 Ukrainian * (Union of Brest 1595)
3,828,591 Syro-Malabar #
3,290,539 Maronite %
1,614,604 Melkite * (1724 Syrian-Byzantine)
707,452 Romanian * (Act of Union of 1698, Metr. Atanasie Anghel)
646,243 Ruthenian * (Union of Uzhorod 1646)
593,459 Armenian @
490,371 Chaldean #
420,081 Syro-Malankara %
290,000 Hungarian * (Union of Uzhorod 1646)
239,394 Slovak * (Union of Uzhorod 1646)
229,547 Ethiopian/Eritrean $
163,630 Coptic $
158,818 Syrian %
61,487 Italo-Albanian *
43,878 Krizevci (Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo) * +
15,037 Macedonian * ++
10,000 Bulgarian * +++
3,845 Albanian *
2,525 Greek *​

147,600 No Hierarchy (Argentina, Austria, Brazil, France, Poland)
? Belarusian (Union of Uzhorod 1646)
? Russian (1905 Nicholas II allows Catholics)
  • Byzantine (Ukrainian, Melkite, Romanian, Ruthenian, …)

Chaldean (Malabar, Chaldean)​

% Antiochian (Maronite, Malankara, Syrian)
@ Armenian (Armenian)
$ Alexandrian (Coptic, Ethiopian/Eritrean)
  • From migrated Serbs in Croatia, Ruthenians from Slovakia, Ukrainians from Galicia, Macedonians from Yugoslavia, Romanians from Banat.
    ++ From Krizevci (Yugoslavia), exarchate in 2001.
    +++ Bulgarian from Macedonia and Trace, reorganized in 1926.
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See the statistics link at the site above for the numbers from the Annuario Pontifico.
 
Greetings Vico,

Oh thank you so much.

God Bless You,
Anathama Sit
 
ConstantineTG said:
I doubt there are Eastern Catholics in our military.
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I know several - even in our small parish of 130 families, we have four active duty personnel and one in the Merchant Marine Academy. Their names are listed in our weekly bulletin regularly so they may be remembered in prayer.

I, too, am a veteran (US Army).
 
ConstantineTG said:
The Philippines wouldn’t be in any Eastern Catholic Eparchy. But if they are to be included they would probably belong to the Bishop in Australia. As it is there are no established Cathedrals in South East Asia or even East Asia for Eastern Churches. The UGCC for example, has an Eparchy in Australia which is the Eparchy of Australia, New Zealand and Oceana. The Philippines is not part of any of those three, but close enough. If a UGCC parish were to be established there then it makes sense that the Australian Eparchy would extend her borders. I mean, the Orthodox has done this. The Greek Metropolitan in Hong Kong extended to the Philippines, and the Antiochian Metropolitan in Australia did likewise.
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I do not think this would necessarily be so.

After all there are no Russian Catholic Eparchies in the United States but the (few) Russian Catholic parishes in the United States fall under the local Latin bishop rather than falling under the Eparch of another territory outside of the United States. Same for the single (I believe) Hungarian Catholic Church which falls under the Byzantine Ruthenian bishop.
 
ByzCath said:
I do not think this would necessarily be so.

After all there are no Russian Catholic Eparchies in the United States but the (few) Russian Catholic parishes in the United States fall under the local Latin bishop rather than falling under the Eparch of another territory outside of the United States. Same for the single (I believe) Hungarian Catholic Church which falls under the Byzantine Ruthenian bishop.
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I believe there is also one Italo-Greek parish under a Ruthenian Eparchy (Phoenix I think).

BTW, where is the Magyar parish located? Just curious.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Our Lady of Wisdom
Las Vegas, NV
ourladyofwisdom.net/
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That’s what I thought. 😉
ByzCathCantor said:
Our Lady of Grace (Mission)
Staten Island, NY
byzcath.org/ourladyofgrace/
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This one is a little odd since it’s not really a parish, but I believe it’s under the Archdiocese of NY. There was an Italo-Greek parish in New York (also under the Archdiocese of NY) but IIRC it closed some years ago when the venerable pastor passed away.
ByzCathCantor said:
Exaltation of the Holy Cross
New York, NY
(no website)
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Ah, so the Magyar parish is the one in New York. That one I knew about. I thought there might have been another somewhere else in the country.

Thanks for the update. 🙂
 
ByzCath said:
From what I have heard this is greatly frowned upon these days. To the point that I have heard that the Oriental Congregation is no longer granting the necessary dispensations to Byzantine religious in Roman communities.

I will let you know when the issue comes up for me (God willing that it does).
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Is this a recent development? I ask because I know of two priests who have been ordained by the Ruthenians within the last 10 years under these circumstances. Or maybe I misunderstood the original posts. These priests were raised Latin Rite, canonically transferred to the Ruthenian Church, and were later ordained in that Church.
 
malphono said:
This one [Our Lady of Grace - Staten Island] is a little odd since it’s not really a parish, but I believe it’s under the Archdiocese of NY. There was an Italo-Greek parish in New York (also under the Archdiocese of NY) but IIRC it closed some years ago when the venerable pastor passed away.
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Yes, it is a mission parish that is not pastorally assigned to the Eparchy of Passaic. A school was first founded by a group of sisters, and the mission sprang forth from it afterward. The board of trustees of the school and mission consists of clergy and laity from both the local Latin and Eastern Churches. Fr. Deacon Nicholas Dadonna, a Byzantine-Ruthenian deacon whom I know personally, is on the board of trustees.
 
couponfit said:
where is this occurring?
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Our Byzantine Rite priest has faculties in the local Latin Rite diocese and says Mass twice a week at a nearby parish. He also frequently helps out with Confessions there.
 
ConstantineTG said:
I doubt there are Eastern Catholics in our military.
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By “our military”, do you mean US, Canadian, or Philippine? I think he was referring to the US Military ordinariate, which would cover US soldiers serving in the Philippines.
 
babochka said:
Is this a recent development? I ask because I know of two priests who have been ordained by the Ruthenians within the last 10 years under these circumstances. Or maybe I misunderstood the original posts. These priests were raised Latin Rite, canonically transferred to the Ruthenian Church, and were later ordained in that Church.
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No dispensations were needed. These men that you speak of transferred to the Ruthenian Church and were ordained within the Ruthenian Church.

What I am speaking of is a member of the Ruthenian Church who is a member of a Latin Church religious order and receiving a dispensation to be ordained in the Latin Church rather than the Ruthenian Church.
 
babochka said:
By “our military”, do you mean US, Canadian, or Philippine? I think he was referring to the US Military ordinariate, which would cover US soldiers serving in the Philippines.
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Philippines. The example given in the post I responded to was the Philippines. There is very few Eastern Catholics in the Philippines and they are foreigners, so the likelihood of them joining the military is nil.
 
malphono said:
This one is a little odd since it’s not really a parish, but I believe it’s under the Archdiocese of NY. There was an Italo-Greek parish in New York (also under the Archdiocese of NY) but IIRC it closed some years ago when the venerable pastor passed away.
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ByzCathCantor said:
Yes, it is a mission parish that is not pastorally assigned to the Eparchy of Passaic. A school was first founded by a group of sisters, and the mission sprang forth from it afterward. The board of trustees of the school and mission consists of clergy and laity from both the local Latin and Eastern Churches. Fr. Deacon Nicholas Dadonna, a Byzantine-Ruthenian deacon whom I know personally, is on the board of trustees.
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FYI - this info was not entirely correct. There is a school in the Bronx by the same name, but with no apparent affiliation. The mission and fraternal society of OLOG still exists as such.

The society has a Facebook entry:
facebook.com/pages/Our-Lady-of-Grace-Italo-Greek-Catholic-Society/102368633164767?sk=info

The mission and society have an informational webpage:
byzcath.org/ourladyofgrace/

Peace!
 
ConstantineTG said:
The circumstances should present itself. For a Latin Rite priest, there should be no Eastern Rite priest available in the area for a particular Church. If the faithful petition either their bishop or the Latin bishop to provide Liturgy in their Rite, then no priests can be sent from somewhere else, the Latin Rite bishop can look to his own priests if there is one knowledgeable or at least interested and willing to be trained in the Eastern Liturgy, then a petition would be sent to Rome for approval.
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This is an old thread. I don’t know how I even found it.

If you look at the priests/bishops who are bi-ritual, you should include Fr. Mitch Pacwa of EWTN fame.

He is such a scholar, and a Jesuit, aside from any need there may be for a substitute priest, such a priest/ bishop – like Sheen – are so qualified otherwise as Catholic scholars, I would think they would be sought after by churches who deserve their ministry.
 
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