Tis_Bearself
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I think this is actually closer to the truth of how most people think.
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Sarcelle
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I doubt it.I suspect percentage wise, Catholics were much more devout and faithful in those days than now.
The good old days were anything but the good old days. People sinned back and people still sin now. Death and taxes the only sure thing? Add sin to that as well.
Take a look at the Bible especially the Old Testament. It’s basically a story of how people never stay faithful to God, are easily distracted and stiff necked.
Some things never change and humanity is one of them.
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Sarcelle
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I’d rather Catholicism be a choice than the default.OTOH, when Catholicism was in its full flower, people were rarely something other than Catholic, not like today.
If it’s a default, people go through the motions but their hearts are far from God.
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tafan2
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Where did I say people did not sin? But any objective look at history would show a larger percentage of Catholics, though sinners for sure, took the faith seriously. I am not saying any time was the good ole days. I am saying the modern assumption that we are morally superior to our forebears, which is held (perhaps unwittingly) by many Catholics, is wrong.
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Sarcelle
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Sure there are a larger percentage of Catholics but as for the state of their souls who knows.But any objective look at history would show a larger percentage of Catholics, though sinners for sure, took the faith seriously.
How do you know they took the faith seriously?
If they did the Reformation wouldn’t have been as successful.
There were probably more Catholics in name only back then than now. Now, people don’t even have to pretend.
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ontheway1
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Note to myself:
The topic of this discussion is the condition of other people. “The West” is nearly everyone who is participating in the discussion. Turn it around and look at yourself. You are an agent of change by simply being here. Now grow into a creative force that will have a more (positive) impact on those around you.
Someone mentioned the need for more priests. I propose that it is necessary for us to become saints. We have met one or two of them in our own lives. Those humble people who lit a candle in your life. We recall those encounters clearly. Become a saint.
The topic of this discussion is the condition of other people. “The West” is nearly everyone who is participating in the discussion. Turn it around and look at yourself. You are an agent of change by simply being here. Now grow into a creative force that will have a more (positive) impact on those around you.
Someone mentioned the need for more priests. I propose that it is necessary for us to become saints. We have met one or two of them in our own lives. Those humble people who lit a candle in your life. We recall those encounters clearly. Become a saint.
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Annie
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But one reason we can even consider homosexual marriage as a thing is that the traditional idea of marriage has been pretty much destroyed by abc and no-fault divorce.No I’m pro LGBT because their relationship doesn’t change mine. They aren’t going to marry to produce offspring anyway. They want to have a stable healthy relationship so whatever. Not my business.
And another is that it is no longer considered a problem for the community, in that committing a sin so grievous has spiritual effects beyond those affecting the soul of the sinner.
And now that we can take such a laissez-faire attitude towards homosexual marriage, well, actually we must, lest we lose our jobs or businesses, and certtainly social standing.
You think you are freely going along with the zeitgeist, and perhaps you are. In the same way, maybe Catholics for all those centuries were also choosing Catholicism.
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littlebird
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Yes, I said that we need more priests. The quantity of priests has been on a steady decline.
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IanM
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The quality of many priests is also important. An inspiring priest (or nun etc.) inspires young people to emulate him or her. That is why maintaining orthodoxy and rigorous discipline in the clergy is crucial if the hierarchy are genuinely interested in saving the Church founded by God…Yes, I said that we need more priests. The quantity of priests has been on a steady decline.
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HerCrazierHalf
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I think a question missing from these types of discussions is why? Why should one even care to seek out religious faith? Is Christianity a solution to a problem that these people do not have (or perceive)?How can this be stopped? How can Christianity be saved in the west?
For instance, the rhetoric of salvation and obtaining forgiveness presupposes a need that isn’t always an accepted premise.
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VanitasVanitatum
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That’s because it is an easy appeal to pleasure, so it seems obvious that it would stick and there is no reason for them to bound by certain definitions from their perspective.But one reason we can even consider homosexual marriage as a thing is that the traditional idea of marriage has been pretty much destroyed by abc and no-fault divorce.
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VanitasVanitatum
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Knowing your “audience” is important so these approaches which have not been fruitful shouldn’t be considered, but yet…For instance, the rhetoric of salvation and obtaining forgiveness presupposes a need that isn’t always an accepted premise.
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