How can Christians trust a man to "pastor" them when he's wrong on Scripture?

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Could you as a Christian trust a man to lead you that was wrong on Scripture?

For example, if your religious leader was proven wrong on something that was extremely relevant regarding Jesus’ teachings, would your faith in that person be shaken?

Could you trust them if they showed poor Scriptural knowledge to be a “pastor” to you?
 
As a Friend, we do not “place our trust” in men or women to teach us…we study and pray together seeking God’s will through the Light Within.

We seek to understand the historical context of any passage of scripture and what the writer was trying to get across. We seek to come to undertanding how any certain passage of scripture is to impact our modern lives…some passages are very much part of the time they were written and have little or no impact on us today, but it is a matter of searching for the Truth together as a body to determine how it impacts us.

That a leader of a study group may have ideas I cannot embrace, has no impact on how I view them as a member of the Body of Christ.
 
If my pastor was teaching something completely un-Biblical, I wouldn’t be staying there very long. If he was proven wrong on Scripture – in a without a doubt, there is no other possible interpretation way – I would probably leave as well.
 
If a pastor is found to be teaching anything Unbiblical, then he should be confronted.

If it’s a non-essential or a matter of adiaphoron, then it should probably just be left to drop.

However, if it’s an essential doctrine, then he should be corrected and given an opportunity to repent.

If he does not, then he should be removed.
 
As a Friend, we do not “place our trust” in men or women to teach us…we study and pray together seeking God’s will through the Light Within.

We seek to understand the historical context of any passage of scripture and what the writer was trying to get across. We seek to come to undertanding how any certain passage of scripture is to impact our modern lives…some passages are very much part of the time they were written and have little or no impact on us today, but it is a matter of searching for the Truth together as a body to determine how it impacts us.

That a leader of a study group may have ideas I cannot embrace, has no impact on how I view them as a member of the Body of Christ.
But as a self-proclaimed “pastor”, could a person be trusted when he fails to know something important regarding Christ?
 
If my pastor was teaching something completely un-Biblical, I wouldn’t be staying there very long. If he was proven wrong on Scripture – in a without a doubt, there is no other possible interpretation way – I would probably leave as well.
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But as a self-proclaimed “pastor”, could a person be trusted when he fails to know something important regarding Christ?
By 'trusted" do you mean 'trust his character"? Or do you mean to be trusted in matters of faith? If character, one has really little to do with one another…if “faith” then I am putting my “trust” in someone else to teach me the Way…I should be searching for my own understanding and how to implement that Truth into the daily of my life, not expecting someone else to do so for me.
 
Check out this link for a serious Scriptural challenge to any intellectually honest Protestant pastor. It shows the Scriptural requirements for claiming to be a “pastor,” and asks the honest Protestant to see if he measures up.
 
Check out this link for a serious Scriptural challenge to any intellectually honest Protestant pastor. It shows the Scriptural requirements for claiming to be a “pastor,” and asks the honest Protestant to see if he measures up.
Cool link, but i bet the answer will be “God sent me. Your words don’t change my calling.” IN other words, dismiss it.

I was waist deep in the discussion that spawned this thread. To get a little more specific: what if your pastor (Sunday school teacher, anyone) was fond of throwing around scriptures BUT when shown a lack of knowledge about the FACTS not the interpretation, how would you respond?
 
Cool link, but i bet the answer will be “God sent me. Your words don’t change my calling.” IN other words, dismiss it.

I was waist deep in the discussion that spawned this thread. To get a little more specific: what if your pastor (Sunday school teacher, anyone) was fond of throwing around scriptures BUT when shown a lack of knowledge about the FACTS not the interpretation, how would you respond?
Why the “God sent me” argument is null…everybody is called to minister to the flock.

But only Priests are called to “pastor” the flock.

Big difference.

I believe however that there are men called to pastor the flock outside of our Church. Those pastors that teach undeniable truth have to, have to, have to be acknowledged by Catholics as leaders of their own churches and respected so long as they don’t speak against us and don’t do anything that is unChristian.

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I think there needs to be a distinction made here.

Usually, mainstream Protestants and really small churches are very tolerant and earnestly seek God above all (above excluding other Christians, above judgement of others, etc…).

I’ve found that it’s either the mega-churches and the middle churches that have the most problems. Maybe it’s growing pains and the pains of a particular church having grown beyond it’s means to manage and without a larger body of Christians to help guide them, the overloaded boat sinks or people begin to abandon ship into lifeboats (aka smaller churches).
 
I believe however that there are men called to pastor the flock outside of our Church.
But, the point of the linked article is, “called by whom?”

To be a “pastor” (shepherd, overseer, elder) is also to be an “ambassador” for Christ (c.f. 2 Cor. 5:18ff), and Scripture tells us that this position is never self-appointed (c.f. Heb. 5:4). St. Paul says that preachers must be “sent” (Rom. 10:15), and it goes without saying that the one who does the sending (i.e. who confers the authority) must be superior in authority to the one being sent, since no one can confer that which he does not possess himself. Even Jesus said, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.’” (John 20:21-22)

In Scripture, when was the only other time God breathed on anyone? In Gen. 2:7, when He blew into Adam’s nostrils the breath of life.
Those pastors that teach undeniable truth have to, have to, have to be acknowledged by Catholics as leaders of their own churches and respected so long as they don’t speak against us and don’t do anything that is unChristian.
Would you say that doing something unBiblical can be considered as doing something unChristian?

The linked article makes the case that biblically, there is only one way to become a legitimate ambassador of Christ, or “pastor”: by appointment from a superior. This can be done in two ways: being commissioned by a legitimate ambassador (apostolic succession), or being called directly by God. The rule is appointment by succession (as in the case of the kings, prophets, and the second generation of apostles). The exception is appointment directly by God (and requires the proof of miracles, signs, and wonders for authenticity).

Even Jesus submitted to this proof test. “But the testimony which I have is greater than that of John; for the works which the Father has granted me to accomplish, these very works which I am doing, bear me witness that the Father has sent me.” (John 5:31-36)
 
Christians can drive cars and cars are unbiblical.
Actually, cars are quite biblical 😃

Perhaps I should have said “contrabiblical” instead of “unbiblical” … If even Jesus submitted to the proof-test of miracles, signs, and wonders for authenticity, how can any mere man exempt himself from this same test, unless he wishes to say he is greater than even Jesus?
 
Actually, cars are quite biblical 😃

Perhaps I should have said “contrabiblical” instead of “unbiblical” … If even Jesus submitted to the proof-test of miracles, signs, and wonders for authenticity, how can any mere man exempt himself from this same test, unless he wishes to say he is greater than even Jesus?
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Could you as a Christian trust a man to lead you that was wrong on Scripture?

For example, if your religious leader was proven wrong on something that was extremely relevant regarding Jesus’ teachings, would your faith in that person be shaken?

Could you trust them if they showed poor Scriptural knowledge to be a “pastor” to you?
Yes my faith in them would be shaken. Not in God but in that particular person.
 
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