How can God be perfectly just if He's also merciful?

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If God is perfectly just, that would mean that each person gets what they deserve, but many don’t simply because God’s merciful as well.

For example, think of Baptism of Desire. We must be baptized to enter Heaven, but through God’s mercy, desire (for abnormal circumstances) is OK as well.

So is God not 100% just?
 
If God is perfectly just, that would mean that each person gets what they deserve, but many don’t simply because God’s merciful as well.

For example, think of Baptism of Desire. We must be baptized to enter Heaven, but through God’s mercy, desire (for abnormal circumstances) is OK as well.

So is God not 100% just?
I think its 50/50…it just depends on the circumstance and situation.
 
If God is perfectly just, that would mean that each person gets what they deserve, but many don’t simply because God’s merciful as well.

For example, think of Baptism of Desire. We must be baptized to enter Heaven, but through God’s mercy, desire (for abnormal circumstances) is OK as well.

So is God not 100% just?
Good question! I hope someone answers this.

But let’s extend this further. If God was perfectly just, why allow Heaven to be open to us? Why not just send everyone to Hell? After all, " for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
If God is perfectly just, that would mean that each person gets what they deserve, but many don’t simply because God’s merciful as well.

For example, think of Baptism of Desire. We must be baptized to enter Heaven, but through God’s mercy, desire (for abnormal circumstances) is OK as well.

So is God not 100% just?
God is just and merciful that is why there was the crucifiction. When commit a mortal sin and lose God’s friendship, we deserve hell. But, because God is merciful, he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross. When we repent, we are forgiven because Christ’s death was sufficient to reconcile us to the Father. (Justice= Christ died on cross, made satisfaction, Mercy= Christ died on the cross, satisfaction was made so that someone else could recieve God’s grace and forgiveness.

In addition to this, when we sin we must pay a temporal punishment to satisfy God. This is what we deserve. However, this is satsified in different ways and God gives us options to make the punishment easier to satisfy (indulgences/mass) So these stem from the mercy of God and the Justice of God which demands that satsifcation is made

I hope this answers the question
Tom

PS: Baptism and Baptism of Desire are merciful it is not as if God is unjust for counting BoD because he can cound whatever he wants to forgive sins, however he has established certain conditions which include Baptism (ordinary) and BoD (extraordinary but still just)
 
If God is perfectly just, that would mean that each person gets what they deserve, but many don’t simply because God’s merciful as well.

For example, think of Baptism of Desire. We must be baptized to enter Heaven, but through God’s mercy, desire (for abnormal circumstances) is OK as well.

So is God not 100% just?
So you are saying that it’s unjust that a person receives the effects of Baptism if they truly want it, but cannot access it for abnormal circumstances? They are receiving the gift of a spiritual baptism from the Lord, because he knows their hearts and knows they had no ability to get baptized physically on Earth! I think that’s Justice at its finest! 😉
 
So you are saying that it’s unjust that a person receives the effects of Baptism if they truly want it, but cannot access it for abnormal circumstances? They are receiving the gift of a spiritual baptism from the Lord, because he knows their hearts and knows they had no ability to get baptized physically on Earth! I think that’s Justice at its finest! 😉
My example is better 😛

Thank you,
Eugen von Böhm-Bawerk
 
I think its 50/50…it just depends on the circumstance and situation.
I think its 100/100 He is fully and completely just and he is Fully and competely merciful.
I think its like How he was able to be 100% man and 100% God at the same time

i may be wrong here so correct me but just as the eucharist is fully Christ and if you break the Eucharist in half both halves will still be fully Christ.
 
God is merciful in giving himself up for us.
He is just because he gives his people Salvation through his mercy, and provides temporal punishment for those who need growth.
He is not “just” because he “damns all the non-believers”.

If a person dies and has rejected God’s mercy, they are receiving natural punishment (damnation) for their sins. They go to Hell not because God told them to leave, but because they have rejected his welcoming. When a fish jumps out of water and lands on a rock, it does not suffer because it is being punished for jumping out of the water, but rather it’s suffering because it does not have the water (which is its life source). Due to our eternal nature, we can choose eternal bliss in Heaven, or eternal lack-of-bliss in Hell.

Mercy is not dictated by justification, but justification is dictated by mercy. You have it backwards. God bless!
 
Great question. I do not think there is a full answer. One poster noted, properly, that none of us deserve God’s love and grace- or the forgiveness that He offers. Is justice a matter of getting what one deserves? Because, if so, isn’t mercy impossible?

We get some help from scripture, in the parable of the workers of the vineyard. Some work a full day, some work only a little while but all are paid in full. Is that just? It depends, I suppose, on your frame of reference. In the sense that each got exactly what he was promised for the work he did, it was certainly just. The only way we find injustice is if we compare the workers to one another. That simply is not the way God judges. We are not graded on a curve. He judges each individually.

Justice of man cannot be similar to God’s justice. When we make laws, for instance, we have to treat everyone the same. We have to apply laws in like manner to everyone. God is different in many ways, but specifically these two: 1. His goal. He is not trying to protect a community, but rather to perfect an individual. When he judges us, He does not judge a specific action but rather a specific and unique person. 2. His means. He has more information than we can ever hope to have. When we prosecute a criminal, we need to know if the crime was committed and if there are any obvious extenuating circumstances like coercion or mental illness. God knows more and takes more into account. Indeed, He knows everything, and takes everything into account.

His justice will never look like ours. He is also capable of greater mercy. He knows all our sins and faults. He offers forgiveness freely.
 
Because He loves us and created us for himself, that is why he sent his only Son Jesus to die for our sin and therefore redeem us.
If we repent when we sin and seek His forgiveness He is just and will keep his promise to forgive us, and restore us to himself through his Son’s shed blood on the cross for justice sake.
Peace, Carlan
 
God is completely just and completely merciful when he gave His only begotten Son to be crucified in order to redeem us.
 
Thank you all for your responses!

I’ve come to the conclusion that God’s 100% just and 100% merciful. When something “demands justice”, God still does the just thing every time, but He may do it in a merciful way (sending Jesus to pay for our sins-satisfies the justice part so we can enter Heaven, but done in a merciful way)
 
I think its 100/100 He is fully and completely just and he is Fully and competely merciful.
I think its like How he was able to be 100% man and 100% God at the same time

i may be wrong here so correct me but just as the eucharist is fully Christ and if you break the Eucharist in half both halves will still be fully Christ.
Thanks for the correction…well said.
 
In its simplest form, justice necessitates that all persons should be permitted to freely exercise all their rights. Ergo, it is just to allow a person to exercise their rights and unjust to prevent them from doing so. They key is that you must have a right in order to have justice. You might not have always have a right, for example, to enter Heaven. Mercy is to have compassion for a person. Hence, you can have compassion for another person but that does not, in of itself, grant them a right. Mercy can be given to all but that does not repudiate the requirement for justice. Ergo, it is logically possible to be infinitely just and infinitely merciful.
 
God is completely just and completely merciful when he gave His only begotten Son to be crucified in order to redeem us.
Bingo. “Why did God have to redeem us through Christ’s horrible death?” is a question I hear quite often. The answer is that God’s mercy desires to restore us to eternal unity with Him, but that God’s justice demands the wages of sin.

So the answer to the original question is “Christ” (strangely, this is the answer to many of life’s important questions…)
 
You make a mistake by saying God demands baptizm to get to Heaven.God is merciful because He allows for instances when proper baptizm is not available.He’s 100% just because He demands it when the opportunity is available and one denies it.Its kind of like the parable of the men who were hired for the day for wages.they agreed on an amount and went out in the fields to work.Three hrs.later more men come in and He hires them also.When work is over He pays them all the same wage.The first men are indignant saying they spent their time sweating through the day and should be given more.Jesus’s said they agreed to a wage and he paid them.If He wished to pay the others the same that was fair because He had the right to pay the 2nd group whatever He wished.So Jesus’s is 100% just and merciful to the 2nd group.
 
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