How Can God Know the Future?

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If we have free will, how can God tell the future? For that to be the case, it would have to be predestined. Even if God exists outside of time, it would mean our choices to be obsolete. This would mean no matter what I do I’ll have the same fate. How can that be free will?
 
God doesn’t ‘tell the future’. God knows all, and experiences it as a ‘now’. He doesn’t create you thinking, “Ok, here’s another one who will wind up ultimately rejecting me, too bad”, “Here’s one who will repent on his deathbed and go to purgatory”, 'Oh finally somebody who will be pretty good all her life and go to heaven, good choice, hon". . .

Let’s suppose that right now every single solitary person in the world suddenly experiences, each in a unique way, the temptation to do evil. It might be that you were tempted to commit adultery, or to lie, cheat, steal, blaspheme, whatever, just make it a mortal sin. Make it the sin that the person was most inclined to do, and with what seemed a good chance of ‘getting away with it’ without getting caught, and having plenty of time to confess.

Each person has exactly the same ‘free will’ to choose to sin, or not. And there is no person who can be assumed to choose to sin because he or she is a more habitual sinner, weaker, more tempted, less ‘guilty’ due to circumstances, because with free will, which we have, even the most hardened sinner might choose equally to NOT sin. Maybe that morning he woke up and his mother had called him and said she loved him, maybe it was a beautiful day, maybe he just was in an extra good mood. . .from NOTHING that could have been predicted to strengthen him because on other days the same things happened and he still did evil. That’s the reality of humanity.

Every time there is sin there is an equal opportunity for grace, and each time you have just as much chance to choose grace. How can that NOT be free will??
 
Let me give an analogy. At lunch in a restaurant last Wednesday, say, you chose fish rather than meat. You know that now, but because you know it, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t your free choice at the time. In the same way God, because he is outside time, can “remember” the future as well as the past. He “remembers” the choice you are going to make the next time you go to the same restaurant. It’s still your free choice.
 
But if I’m always going to choose fish over meat, rather than meat over fish, then the whole universe is predestined to happen the same way and free choice is just an illusion. I “choose” fish, but there’s no opportunity to make the other choice, so there is no free will.
 
Here is a thread on this exact topic that is going on right now:
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How is it possible that God knows the future? Philosophy
Why do you insist that God knowing something would somehow make that future knowledge written, available…
If God knew something He could reveal it to the all non-God creatures by any means He choose, writing, telepathy, Facebook, etc. Are you suggesting God has a limitation in what and how He reveals things? If He did reveal, it would be all to easy to guarantee the event didn’t happen. You may think He is being wise or stubborn in not revealing …
 
No, you’re free to choose. If this analogy hasn’t worked, I’ll try and think up another one.
 
But if I’m always going to choose fish over meat, rather than meat over fish, then the whole universe is predestined to happen the same way and free choice is just an illusion. I “choose” fish, but there’s no opportunity to make the other choice, so there is no free will.
How do you come to the conclusion that God’s complete knowledge violates your free will? How do you connect those dots?

Maybe you are combining omniscience with omnipotence, and coming to the conclusion that God should do something about your choices, but allows you free will.
 
If God knows I will do something with complete certainty, and I cannot avoid that outcome, then I have no free will. Simple dots to connect.

I am not coming to the conclusion that God should do something about my choices, quite the opposite. I’m questioning how free will can exist if God knows everything in the future.
 
It’s not that God knows “the future,” but that He experiences it as the here and now. There’s no such thing as the future for Him because there’s no concept of time for Him. Everything happens concurrently.
 
If I can’t escape my fate, if everything’s going to happen the same no matter what I do, then I have no free will, no matter how He experiences it.
 
If God knows I will do something with complete certainty, and I cannot avoid that outcome, then I have no free will.
God doesn’t determine the outcome, you do. You make the choice, he witnesses it.

If I witness two cars speeding toward an intersection from the window of my office, overlooking the road, I can say “oh, those cars are going to hit each other.” My foreknowledge of the accident in no way causes or determines the outcome. I witness it, I don’t cause it.
 
Completely unrelated to this thread, but wouldn’t it be prudent for someone your age to not have your first and last name listed and a picture of you? This seems very unsafe, especially for your age
 
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I can’t escape my fate, if everything’s going to happen the same no matter what I do
This is where you are wrong. You freely choose each of your actions.

God doesn’t interfere, choose for you, or make you do anything.
 
Not really lol. The Pre-ACT and SAT (required taken by my school) already sell my information to the highest bidder, and so does Google.
 
But one of the cars might swerve–we don’t know completely. If God witnesses events and all possibilities, and sees a strong possibility of me doing good, then I do have free will. But if He knows in absolute certainty that I’ll do good, then I don’t think I do.
 
If we have free will, how can God tell the future? For that to be the case, it would have to be predestined.
If you know your best friend really well, you have a pretty good idea how they will react or what they will do in any given situation.

God knows us way way better than our very best BFF, or parent, or sibling, or anyone close to us, ever could.
He knows how we will act in any given situation.
That doesn’t mean it’s predestined. We’re still choosing how to act. The fact that God knows how we’ll choose doesn’t mean he made us choose that way.
 
EDIT, in response to Tis_Bearself (exceeded max replies):
That’s actually a really good point–if you know someone well enough, you can almost predict their actions, with God it would be magnified a thousand times. That makes sense to me actually. Thanks for the explanation.
 
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If God knows I will do something with complete certainty, and I cannot avoid that outcome
These two things have nothing to do with each other. God knowing something will happen does not make that something occur.

As for you “avoiding” the outcome, it’s an outcome YOU CHOSE. You could have “avoided” it by choosing the other way, but you didn’t do so. The fact that God knows what you will do again does not mean he made you do it or that it was “unavoidable” for you.
 
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