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Starwynd
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I don’t know how to explain the Eucharist. And this is in regards to the the story of the kid who takes it out of the Church. Essentially, the question is:
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Christy_Beth
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Where does it say that in the bible? Start with the last supper. Jesus took the bread, blessed it and said “Take this, all of you. This is my body given for you.” When He gave it too them, did He mean for them to save it for later? Or for immediate consumption?
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Ruthie
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Jesus instructed the people and his disciples about the Eucharist in Jn 6:26-68. It’s a long passage that tells a story.
It starts with bread: Jesus knows that the people followed Him because He had fed them physically, and He tells them they should seek “the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you.”
They ask what to do to “be doing the works of God.” He tells them to believe in Him. They ask Him for a sign, mentioning the manna in the wilderness. He replies, “it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world.” They replied, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
Jesus replies, "“I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. … For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The Jews objected to His saying He came down from Heaven. He ends that discussion with the first mention of the Eucharist:
“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
There follows the passage that proves our need for the Eucharist:
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; **** he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.**** As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. ****This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” John 6:53-58 (RSV)
Notice He says **four **times that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood to have life, to have eternal life, to abide in Him, and to live. That’s pretty specific!
[Added to the three mentions in the previous passage, of bread together with life, that makes seven times, and seven, in Jewish tradition, is the covenantal number. Thus, the Eucharist is a covenant!]
This is followed by many disciples leaving Him. Protestants will say that He was only speaking figuratively, that He meant His “flesh and blood” to mean His teachings. But why would disciples leave Him if this was true? No, they left because He had asked them to do something against Jewish law - to drink blood - and against natural law - to eat human flesh.
And He tells us that doing so will give us eternal life!
Ruthie
It starts with bread: Jesus knows that the people followed Him because He had fed them physically, and He tells them they should seek “the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of man will give to you.”
They ask what to do to “be doing the works of God.” He tells them to believe in Him. They ask Him for a sign, mentioning the manna in the wilderness. He replies, “it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world.” They replied, “Lord, give us this bread always.”
Jesus replies, "“I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. … For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The Jews objected to His saying He came down from Heaven. He ends that discussion with the first mention of the Eucharist:
“This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.”
There follows the passage that proves our need for the Eucharist:
“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; **** he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.**** As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. ****This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” John 6:53-58 (RSV)
Notice He says **four **times that we must eat His flesh and drink His blood to have life, to have eternal life, to abide in Him, and to live. That’s pretty specific!
[Added to the three mentions in the previous passage, of bread together with life, that makes seven times, and seven, in Jewish tradition, is the covenantal number. Thus, the Eucharist is a covenant!]
This is followed by many disciples leaving Him. Protestants will say that He was only speaking figuratively, that He meant His “flesh and blood” to mean His teachings. But why would disciples leave Him if this was true? No, they left because He had asked them to do something against Jewish law - to drink blood - and against natural law - to eat human flesh.
And He tells us that doing so will give us eternal life!
Ruthie
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Mark77
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St Paul in his first letter to The Corinthians says;
“Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.” (1Cor11:27 RSV-CE)
It was not “a bunch of priests”, like everything else that the Catholic Church teaches, **it is revealed to us by God through His Church. **
“Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture,make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God” (CCC 97)
“The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magesterium of the Church, that is to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him” (CCC 100)
May God Bless You!
Mark
“Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.” (1Cor11:27 RSV-CE)
It was not “a bunch of priests”, like everything else that the Catholic Church teaches, **it is revealed to us by God through His Church. **
“Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture,make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God” (CCC 97)
“The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magesterium of the Church, that is to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him” (CCC 100)
May God Bless You!
Mark
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Todd_Easton
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The questioner seems to refer to the Code of Canon Law:Canon 1367. One who throws away the consecrated species or, for a sacrilegious purpose, takes them away or keeps them, incurs a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See…I don’t know how to explain the Eucharist. And this is in regards to the the story of the kid who takes it out of the Church. Essentially, the question is:
Where in the bible does it say not eating the holy cracker will send one to hell. Not where did a bunch of priests get together and decide it.
St. Paul says that the bread we break is a participation in the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 10:16) A little later he says that those who eat the bread unworthily profane the Body of Christ. (1 Cor 11: 27) Consequently, what the questioner calls “the holy cracker” (the Eucharist) is meant to be treated as the very Body of Christ, the holiest and greatest treasure on earth. It is only common sense that reasonable measures should be taken to protect this holiest and greatest treasure on earth for profanation.
The questioner seems to misunderstand what excommunication is. Excommunication is not an automatic ticket to hell but an exclusion from the Church’s Sacraments and its purpose is not damnation but to encourage repentance. (St. Paul recommends that an incestuous believer be expelled from the Church at Corinth in 1 Cor 5:1-13 and later recommends that the man be readmitted when he manifested sufficient repentance in 2 Cor 2:5-11)
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